Steve Judd & Rick Levine: The Undeniable Truth of Our Time | Backstage Astrology

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We are now about to make an evolutionary leap into an elevated and enhanced form

of consciousness which is going to change everything. And this is why the power brokers are so

desperate to suppress astrology now. And we’re at one of those points right now

that really on a larger evolutionary scheme really goes from I think really

the mid60s all the way up to the 2030s. [Music]

If I wanted to be esoteric about this, I would say that we are now finally and permanently entering the age of

Aquarius. I would say that 2024

25 26 is its own turning point. We are now about to make an evolutionary

leap. But they want us to go back to sleep. And part of what they do is they create

diselusionment which often can lead to disouragement.

[Music] Things are illusion. the veil that

prevents us from seeing what real reality is. And remember, diselusionment

is not a bad thing. Illusion is Neptune. Illusions are not untrue. They’re just

not yet manifest. You know, a dream is a wish your heart makes. And so when we

have an illusion, when we follow that illusion and apply Saturn to it, Saturn

takes Neptune’s dreams and can not always, but it can make them real. We

become disillusioned when the dream is not real. And it’s okay to see that a dream is not real.

It’s not okay. It’s okay to be disillusioned, but it’s not okay to let that disillusionment lead to

discouragement because courage coming from the Latin cur from French, the heart, you we can be disillusioned, but

if we lose heart, then we’re in trouble.

It’s about the hopes and dreams of our ancestors for tens, thousands years, but

we all have things to do. And if we don’t do it now, in a year or two, it’s going to be too late. And that’s the

important thing to understand. Do not go back to sleep. Blah blah blah blah. This noise and that noise. Do not

go back to sleep. You have no right being out in the cosmos until you take

care of your own stuff. And we have that responsibility.

But with all the outer planets making harmonious aspects to each other in a

way that has never happened before in living memory and I don’t think it’s

happened like this in 10,000 years. It seems that as a species we are now at

the end of our apprentichip. I mean the whole politics of authoritarianism

of fascism of competitive patriarchal dominance colonialism. Every time I see

Jupiter opposite Pluto in a personal chart, Mhm. I’m I’m either seeing someone who wants

to be a dictator. Mhm. A fascist. All of that is based upon a Roman

concept of divide and conquer. War comes from a projection of unresolved

World peace will never come from politicians um running around the world

and people signing treaties. World peace will only come when the people living in

the world find peace within themselves. [Music]

Astrology is the lingua frana of the emerging consciousness revolution. It is the language which everyone will speak

in the future. We’re we’re we’re moving beyond what

we’ve done before. We’re moving into a and vastly expanded perception field

where we’re going to become far more than we’ve been. This is why I’m not worried about the technology. We’ll keep

technology and and evol and and brain circuitry and evolution will will run

parallel with each other. Mhm. It’s it’s the most exciting time of human history. The only way I would stop

doing astrology is if the government said, “Right, we’re going to ban astrology.” And I would go, “Okay, then

[Laughter] you tried that one before.

What happened then?” And I always think of Rob Hand uh who wrote I think in horoscope symbols his

first or second book I think. Um he wrote uh astrologers used to teach that

Saturn is reality and Neptune is illusion. Mhm. Whereas now we know that Neptune is

reality and Saturn is the illusion there was one. You know what we see is not

what we get. [Music] It’s not just about us. Now

of course we are at a place right now where there’s a lot of people who are holding on to denials of things that are

very important and making their projections you know really complicated. How do you interact with people who

can’t do any good for you in your life

now that you are quite huge um in the public eye with the social media?

I’ve put on a lot of weight. Yeah. Yeah. So, what do you think most people

misunderstand about you as a public figure in astrology?

What do most people misunderstand about me? I live, I breathe, I fart. I’m just

the same as you. I’m just a normal bloke who happens to

be very good at what he does because I have practiced for nearly 50 years.

That’s it. Anyone who practice anything for a very long time becomes very good

at it and they can talk authoritatively. But it doesn’t mean that they suddenly

become a rock star or [Music]

I’m I was I was part of the punk generation. You know, we don’t do heroes. We don’t

do I try not to do arrogance. And even saying that sounds arrogant, but no, no

more no heroes. No, everyone’s equal. Mhm. It has to come from there. Otherwise,

otherwise you just get leaders and we all know what happens. Then [Music]

I wanted to ask because in some of your videos, um, you said things like, “Okay, I’m going to I know I’m going to piss a

lot of you off or I know some of you are going to get angry.” What would you tell those people?

[Laughter] I would remind them that everyone’s entitled to their opinion. On the one

hand, this is just my ideas, my opinion, my channel. I will say what I like from

an informed, educated, and experienced opinion. But sometimes I get it wrong.

What is one fear or limiting belief you’ve had to overcome as an astrologer?

Oh, being laughed at. Okay. I got the sun in

the 10th house, but I’m a Cancerian. And when I used to go out in the 1980s

and early 90s before the internet, Uhhuh. the computers and people would say,

“What do you do for a living?” I’m an astrologer. You don’t believe in that rubbish, do

you? And everyone would just laugh at me.

And then I’d tell them how much money I was making. They go, “Oh, can I do that?

How do you do that? That’s not quite right.” But but

the ridicule Mhm. the the ignorance and that just made the

punk in me get more and more Right. You’re right. I’ll show you. So, how do you over overcome that? Just

like, you know, you stop I guess you stop caring at some point or I’ve um cancer, thick skin. I’ve got a

very thick shell and I can genuinely now I know my own

truth. [Music] Which planet do you have the deepest

personal relationship with and why?

Oh, now that is a difficult one. Um,

on the one hand, I would say Pluto because it’s the only planet in my chart

that doesn’t get any squares or oppositions. Okay. So, maybe that explains why you

have a book on Pluto, which is absolutely fantastic.

Tell us more. really when I I I was rather silly when I was very

young and and I went through a three or four month period where I took a lot of drugs

when I was 21 22 and the long-term effect of that was I lost quite a lot of my teeth

in a short space of time. Um, so for a long time I had a pretty bad mouth and then I had the opportunity

to get it fixed and I said in 2012 I had the opportunity to get it fixed. I said

no, I’m going to wait one more year till 2013 because in 2013 Pluto passed opposite my

son. I might as well hurt twice as much and get it both over and done with. So,

I had all of my I had titanium mouth put in. Oh.

So, uh it was about 17 18 different surgical procedures over 9 months.

Um and Pluto opposite my son and I learned the difference between pain

which can be managed and ache which cannot.

And um it was at that time that I wrote that book. So you were actually like

going through that living in Pluto’s grasp when I wrote that book.

And what about the other fantastic book astrologer? That’s my pension. Uh about 2007 2008 I

thought okay so how am I going to look after myself when I’m old? I know I’ll write a book. Okay so what am I going to

write it on? Well, obviously astrology and then I realized that the two most biggest subjects on the internet were

sex and astrology. So I thought, okay, let’s write a book on sex and astrology. So that’s some of

it is really humorous and funny. Some of it is really good astrology and part of

it is really excellent psychology. You know, the aspects between Venus and

Mars with Uranus, Pluto. Yeah, it’s fantastic. I really liked it and I sometimes I read it with my

husband and you know we make a we we he laughs you know like oh my god like how

is this possible that astrology knows these things

this year 2025 is the first year for about 25 years where I’ve got no

transits from Uranus, Neptune, Pluto or even Saturn. Oh,

transit for a year and it’s like, hey, great. Now I can be me, you know. Um,

how’s that feeling? Um, I’m having a great time. [Music]

I am really beginning to look forward to 5 years from now when Uranus passes

on my midheaven and my Mercury. I will be 75 76 years old and then I

will enter my peak. 76 to 83 will be my peak if I live that

long. A so yeah I’m really looking forward to that. So how do you plan to enjoy those years?

Are you going to do more conferences, more retreats, more classes? I’m going to be world president. Not not

um by then I want to be in a position where I can

almost shame regulatory authorities into getting

astrology into schools. Mhm. And and it’s such a important time in

human history. It’s not just about us now. It’s about the hoax and dreams of our ancestors for

tens, thousands years, sat around their campfires, dreaming of a time where the

the the the future with the reason for existence would be explained

and we have that responsibility. I I it’s an amazing time to be alive.

If you cannot draw a horoscope by hand, you are not an astrologer.

Master astrologer Rick Levine. Rick, how are you? Thank you so much for being here with us.

Well, I am happy to be here with you. I’ve been looking forward to this uh for two reasons. Number one, ever since we

met at the conference in London, I’ve been looking forward to this. And number two, I’ve been looking for a way to

unveil my t-shirt that says my line, think cosmically act locally, with

someone who added a great line to it that says even when Mercury is retro.

And I think you know who that is because this says a gift from Astro Creative

Creativa. Yeah. Astro Creativa. Yeah. Thank you so much.com. So, thank you for the gift.

And so, I’m happy to be here for two re both reasons.

What if I’m making all this up? What if we’re all making this up and it really, you know, I know about, you

know, confirmation bias and I know about self-fulfilling prophecies and I know I

mean what if this whole thing is just totally made and I convinced myself that maybe this whole thing was a fantasy and

I took all of my astrology uh books um programs which I well it was actually

pre no I already had an astrology program at that time. Um, but I

basically took all my books, all my astrology stuff, in fact, all of my music and poetry. If I didn’t have to

make a living being an astrologer, I would just read and write poetry, quite honestly. That was that may be my that’s

as close as music can get to language. And I really like that aspect. Um,

but for about two years, I did no astrology at all. All my astrology books

were literally in cartons in a garage. [Music]

What made you come back to astrology? I um I got into what some people would

call an accident. Um I call it a purpose.

Um because often accidents accidents are are not accidental at all. Um, they’re

basically the cosmos saying, “You’re up. We’re taking over.”

Um, is really dangerous because trines are often where we get stuck. The energy flows so easily we can’t get traction.

We can’t grand trying you know you leave the marriage you change the job you move to another country and 3 years later

your life is the same mess it was before you made all those changes you know whereas a square you know traditionally

you know Saturn square Mars horrible but a person who learns how to do their yoga

their discipline um and harness that energy that’s the person who’s going to

become the doctor who heals people’s lives or the whatever So we have to be

really careful about making assumptions based upon what we think we know. And I

often say that astrologers largely suffer from the same thing that people

who practice fundamentalist religions, modern western medicine, and modern

science suffer from. And that is the belief they know more than they do.

And as you know your listeners might know the our ascendant is kind of our

interface point from the inner to the outer. Some people say it’s how others

see us. But in Vdic astrology we’re reminded that it’s just it’s not just

how the inside gets out, it’s also how the outside gets in. It’s a two-way

street. And I have a Gemini ascendant or Gemini rising. So my sun, Mercury,

Venus, and Mars are trying Pluto with the ascendant right at the middle point.

Right? And on top of that, exactly, and I say exactly opposite my Aries stellium uh in

is Neptune in Libra. That’s also at the same degree as my ascendant. So I have

Neptune and Libra trining my ascendant. Now what this means is I have Neptune

trining my ascendant. Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars, and Pluto all sex titiling

my ascendant, which means that people get a part of me that is not really me.

I mean it is, but it’s kind of like the veneer and it’s a hyperfunctional

ascendant, meaning that it hides a lot of the other stuff in my chart. And most

particularly that would be my cancer moon. Um which is a very different

flavor. And um yeah and the right response to someone saying I have a cancer moon the right response is aw

what I do know about myself is that if I didn’t have a cancer moon I’d be a real

Why I apologize? Because I’d be because I’d be a jerk because I’d have I have Sun and Mars conjunct in Aries trying

Pluto with a who cares what anyone thinks with Uranus rising on in Gemini.

I mean I I I’ I’d be a bit of a jerk, which I can be on occasion, but my

Cancer moon really is in fact caring and kind. And so it makes me it it gives me

something that I think works for me. And so how would I want people to know me?

Interactive, present, and kind.

I think you chart is getting quite activated. You we have Saturn and

Neptune entering Aries. They’re going to touch on your stellium. How do you feel

about it? What what do you think? What do you foresee for yourself? Uh tell us a little bit more. Maybe people find it

interesting. Well, okay. First of all, I think that

when we look forward to an aspect with fear, we actually help coalesce or

manifest that energy. I’ve seen so many astrologers who go, “Oh my god, Pluto’s coming to conjunct

my natal moon. I’m I’m so freaked out. I’m worried about who’s going to die or

how I’m going to this or you know I I don’t know how it’s going to manifest. I

I know that um I I know that in previous Saturn transits they always remind me of

how much work I have to do or how much work I should have already done which is

a bit of a theme in my life. I would like to think Mhm.

that I’m doing some of that work proactively because Saturn will be in

midair Aries, you know, in a year, year and a half or two. Uh whereas Neptune, it’ll take another

five or six years to, you know, to get close enough there to matter. You know, I look I have six planets in

mid-cardinal. So when Saturn, you know, hits hits maybe is a bad word. When

Saturn moves through um mid Aries or mid Cancer where my moon is, Aries, where my

stellium is or mid Libra where my Neptune is which opposes my Aries and

squares my and squares my moon or mid Capricorn. These are times of dynamic

change and I am eagerly looking forward to managing and or moving through these

changes with as much awareness and grace as I can. What that means can’t tell you

yet, but I’ll keep you posted. You know, and and and again, there’s a lot of other stuff of course going on during

period of time. Yes. Because um you know while Saturn is moving

through mid Aries, we also you know have the planets at 0 1

2 3 4 you know of fire and air um also rattling their own signals and um and so

I I again nothing happens in a vacuum. Everything is connected to everything else.

I think that the most important thing is that knowing about astrology is useless

unless you do something in your own personal life with it. And you know, it’s it’s it’s the this part. It’s the

it’s the act locally. And act locally can be as simple as dealing with your

own shadow that we all have. I mean, I anyone who knows me knows that. I mean, again, this is my

hyperfunctional Gemini ascendant. I have this image out there of people who don’t know me but know me from my, you know,

ascendant. Um, you know, I have just as much and shadow stuff as anyone and

and it’s not always easy to work at.

Jung in his last book he wrote before he died I think in 1955 or 56 um he wrote a book called the

undiscovered self a little thin little book maybe 120 pages uh and in it he

said that world peace will never come from politicians um running around the

world and people signing treaties uh world peace will only come when the

people living in the world find peace within themselves

that basically war comes from a projection of unresolved

And of course we are at a place right now where there’s a lot of people who are holding on to denials of things that

are very important and making their projections you know really complicated.

Some of them were angry at the way the earth was abused by the men who learned

how to forge her beauty into power. And they and they struggled to protect her

from them only to be confused by the magnitude of the fury in the final hour

that we are at a point right now where we will not be able to go back to. And

you know that like things in our personal lives, there are things that happened at some point in our lives that

created events where we went that way and we can never go back to that point to go that way. We can make other

corrections but they never can redo or undo what’s been done. that we’re

humanity andor life on Gaia, life on planet Earth, we’ll never

be able to redo or undo what we’ve done in this period of time. And on a closer

to home, meaning closer to now, I would say that 2024,

25,26 is its own turning point for a lot of reasons that I’m sure you and every

other astrologer who you’ve interviewed has talked about. But obviously there are things going on right now that in my

mind it’s almost like taking two metals like copper which is beautiful and

pliable but not very useful because you know unless it’s for art or beauty

because it doesn’t hold its shape. It’s malleable. And let’s say tin which is

brittle but bendable. But when you mix copper and tin and you melt them

together, when they solidify, they make bronze. And bronze is strong and lasts and and

is not undone, whereas copper can be reshaped and remlted and so on. And I

think that culturally we’ve been at a point now for about a year or so where

we’ve been copper and tin and the two have been

melting together and they’re beginning to solidify and based upon what we do

right now or don’t do. And when I say do, it’s where we create allegiances.

Who we support in our lives both personally, emotionally, spiritually, and politically. How we spend our money.

Um um what what politicians that represent us in whatever governments we

live in and and what we say to them and how we communicate with them, whether it

be by phone or by email or whatever. It’s the what or what some people are out on the streets um doing what they

would do. Other people are supporting them. Other people are quietly doing research or doing podcasts or whatever.

But we all have things to do. And if we don’t do it now, in a year or two, it’s going to be too late.

You have no right being out in the cosmos until you take care of your own

stuff. How do you interact with people who can’t do any good for you in your

life? Do you think we can really make a

difference? Because some people I see them especially here kind of like giving

up in the sense that we try but like well that’s what they want us to do.

Mhm. Mhm. I mean the whole politics of authoritarianism,

of fascism, of competitive patriarchal dominance, colonialism, all the words

that we all know, all of that is based upon a Roman concept of divide and

conquer. You know, it’s all based upon, you know, get people to fight against

each other instead of who’s in charge and get people to basically be feel like

it doesn’t matter what they do, so why bother doing anything? Just live out your life quietly and then go back to

sleep. There’s a wonderful roomie poem, you know, about the the world waking up the morning and it’s really a metaphor.

You know, you hear people coming and going, “Do not go back to sleep.” blah blah blah blah this noise and that noise

do not go back to sleep and that’s really uh I mean they whoever the hell

they are not you not me not anyone who’s here listening to this allegedly but

they want us to go back to sleep and part of what they do is they create

diselusionment which often can lead to disouragement and remember diselillusionment is not a

bad thing Illusion is Neptune Illusions are not untrue. They’re just not yet

manifest. You know, a dream is a wish your heart makes. And so when we have an

illusion, when we follow that illusion and apply Saturn to it, Saturn takes

Neptune’s dreams and can not always, but it can make them real. We become

disillusioned when the dream is not real. And it’s okay to see that a dream is not real.

That the world we’re living in when we gauge it against what the ideal situation is, it’s not okay. It’s okay

to be disillusioned. But it’s not okay to let that disillusionment lead to discouragement

because courage coming from the Latin cur from French the heart. You we can be

disillusioned but if we lose heart then we’re in trouble. Oh, that’s good.

Well, thank you so much for watching this compilation with Steve Jo and Rick

Levine. I hope you find this video useful and hopefully you were able to

get some um lessons for this new year. Happy 2026. One of my favorite things to

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thank you for watching and happy new year.

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