Steve Judd Opens Up — From Rock Bottom to the Stars | Backstage Astrology Interview

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Hi world. Hello world. Hi folks. Morning world. Hi

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folks. Hi folks. Hi world. Hi world. Hi world. Hi world. It’s god knows what

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day. It’s 5:00 p. p.m. in the evening, UK time on Tuesday, July 15 of 2025, and

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Steve J is here with us. Um, we’re going to ask him some very, very hard personal

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questions, and I know he’s vigorizing and Sagittarius moon would love this.

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So, hi Steve, how are you?

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Ah, no way. Cheers. I need to get one.

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I’m not real. This is my avatar. Steve’s busy, so he sent his avatar instead.

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How are you, Steve? How is everything going?

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I just finished my seventh reading of the day. Oh my god. How do you handle that? Wow.

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I did eight yesterday. I’ve done seven today. I’m in the studio all day tomorrow recording stuff on Stone Age

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Astrology for the documentary. How’s that going? Almost almost there.

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Um, no. No, no, we had to have a couple of months

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off because we just burnt out after happened. We just stopped for a couple of weeks.

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Yeah. Yeah. Now I have to tell you I have done zero preparation for this. Oh, don’t worry.

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I looked at your questions for about 10 seconds and I thought, “Yeah, all right.

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Okay, let’s go.” Well, so the point of this really is

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just to get to know you, you know, behind the astrologer mask and just tell us about your life and your personal

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routine and, you know, anecdotes and how you prepare for reading. So, I I don’t

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think you need to prepare, but you know, let’s just go with the flow and see what comes out. Okay. Yeah, I’m fine with it. Let’s go.

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Okay. Hello everyone. I am Mariam Medina. I’m

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Interview starts

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an astrology enthusiast and digital designer trying to capture the moments with astrologers behind the scenes. And

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this little project was born during the conference shifts happen um with Rick

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Lavine, Steve Job, Penny Thornton, Alex Tranogowed. And you know it was really inspired by heartful conversations with

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astrologers behind the scenes. And today I am honored to have here with me master

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astrologer Steve Job. Steve doesn’t need introduction. However, I’m going to ask

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you Steve to introduce yourself. How would you like people to know you really?

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Steve introduces himself

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My name is Steve Jud. I am a professional astrologer.

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I have studied astrology since 19 I picked up my first astrological book in 1977.

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I did my first astrological reading in 19

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81 and I did my first astrological reading

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correctly in 1982. Doing readings has been my only source

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of income since 1999 and um

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I love my life. I spent 40 years in debt and now I’m out

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of debt. So, I’ve got a great deal to be grateful to astrology for.

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Who was Steve Judd before Astrology?

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Steve, um, can I ask you who were you before you became Steve Jud astrologer?

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Um, what was going on in your life before? How who were you? So much

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ah I’d left home when I was 15.

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and join the army. Um,

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I left the army under very strange circumstances.

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Mhm. In when I was 20 in 1975.

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Mhm. Um, had a large number of jobs for the next

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10 years whilst traveling the world.

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um hitchhiked most of the way around the world because you could in those days.

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Yeah. Uh and then developed my own marble and mosaic tiling ceramic

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business which I called Astro Tile. What? What? Why? Like didn’t know about

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this. What happened to that? Well, I had to give it up in 1998 999

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because I’d been doing it for 15 years and when you’re kneeling down in wet cement and you’re into your mid-4s your

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knees give out. So I had I couldn’t bend down anymore. My knees were bad. So that

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was when I said in 1998 99 I said well how am I going to make money if I can’t

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do work on building sites? Well the only other thing I was good at was doing astrology. Uh

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interesting. So is that the moment when you first realized that astrologer would play a central role in your life?

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No. When did that happen? How was that moment?

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The end of August 1980.

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It’s when the woman who was about to become the

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mother of my daughter put a an astrological book in front of me and said, “Read this or I’m leaving

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you.” And I read it and I thought, “Wait a

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minute.” This is a book of by Martin Schulman on the North Node and reincarnation. And I read about my north node in

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Sagittarius in the fourth house and it just went click click click click light

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bulb light bulb light bulb and I thought how does this old guy who’s never met me living in New York know so much about me

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and how can I do this so that was the start of how I really

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started developing an interest beyond the basic pattern recognition of looking

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at an ephemeris. Okay. So that was the moment when you said, “Okay, I’m I’m I want to to get to

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know this thing and practice it and it’s going to be part of my life.” So yes, it was there.

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Can I ask you some um questions about your chart? What part of your own chart has been the hardest for you to accept

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and how has it shaped you as a person, not just as an astrologer?

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It wasn’t until someone pointed out to me in the late 1980s that I have an

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exact semi square or half a degree semi square from a sun to Pluto that I

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realized and I had to own that I can be a bit of a control freak.

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Right. Um, also I have a very strong conjunction of Mars

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with Uranus. Mhm. square Neptune. And I used to have a lot of problems

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differentiating between fantasy and the imagination.

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But then I discovered the way to work the work it out. I discovered that Mars square Neptune

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is a really the the best therapy for that is definitely dancing.

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Oh, so I became a good dancer especially when trance was happening in the late

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90s, early 2000s and so yeah I got into dance. So yeah u

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every chart has its challenges but it also has every challenge has a gift inside it if you look deep enough.

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That’s beautiful Steve. Thank you. And was there ever a time you wanted to quit astrology? Um you know when you said

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okay you know f it. This is not working. I’m done with this. Did you have any

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moment like that? And and what made you stay? No,

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there was never a moment where I thought I would give it up. Astrology has sustained me. It has kept me alive.

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Without astrology, I’d be dead by now. Astrology has given me a reason for

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staying alive. It has nurtured me, supported me, fostered me, made me far

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more mature, adult and intelligent than I would otherwise have been. I could

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never give it up. Wow. Steve, so tell us how was your your preparation with

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astrology? You were reading books, you were um going to conferences. How was that journey towards the astrologer you

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are today? How did you educated yourself? You were reading reading people’s or friends charts. How was that

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journey since 1977? I I I’ve only been to about two or three

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astrological conferences in my life because

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I don’t have the patience to sit there and listen to and just talk about things

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which most astrologers especi the exception are people like me Rick Lavine

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Nick Campy and Penny but most astrologers who go to who who go to conferences

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they just talk, they don’t do readings, they just write books and give lectures.

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They can’t do readings or they or they don’t. So that to me they’re

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they’re not astrologers. So touching on that point, you work with

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thousands of charts. How do you prepare for your readings and how has that

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changed since your very first reading? You just told me before you did seven readings today. Yeah.

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So, what would you say has changed? When I used to do readings,

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I used to get the chart up. This is in the days when I was drawing charts by hand before computers. Wow. Okay.

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When you’re drawing it all out, you think, okay, so let’s prepare for this. All right. What they got in fire signs? What they got in fire houses, earth

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signs, earth houses, water, air? What’s in cardinal? Fixed, mutable, get the balances, right? What’s the major

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aspects? What’s the difficult aspects? Hemispheres. And I did I had all these lists and I

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was ready then what’s the transits and progressions going and I had it all written down. These days I just go right

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click right that’s the chart. Okay let’s go blah because you don’t

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to me the basis of astrology is pattern recognition.

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I picked up my first ephemeris in 1978 and I just looked at it and I thought, “What’s this? That’s a a bus timet. It’s

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a train timet.” Oh, wait a minute. It’s a planetary time table. Oh, wait a minute. Those numbers, they move in

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patterns. It’s pattern. Oh, it’s patterns in there. Nowadays, I hit a button, a chart comes

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up on my screen and my immediate reaction is to unfocus my eyes and in my

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mind I remove the signs and the houses and I just look at the planets and the

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aspects and I just look at the pattern of the aspects and it goes in there back brain

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down my back into my belly up the front and out my mouth. Wow. And I don’t know what I’m going to

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say a lot of the time. And I love it because if I knew what I was going to say, I’d probably try and modify it.

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Mhm. But because I don’t know what I’m going to say. I know it’s pure. It’s coming. It’s it’s just using me. I don’t do

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channeling. I hate channeling. I hate it. Yeah. I was going to ask you. Okay. Uhuh. But but it’s it’s it’s astrology talking

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through me. So I suppose it could be called channeling. Certainly not mediumship but

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to me see astrology is not an it. Astrology is alive. It has life force

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and veilance. It has life conscious life. I call

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astrology she not it. And she talks through me.

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I am not her. I’m an agent for astrology.

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I hope she never takes her gifts away.

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That’s why people who start doing astrology and then they start thinking,

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“Oh, I can make a lot of money at this or I can become powerful here or I can use this to have power over others

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and then all of a sudden they can’t do it anymore because the they just lose their skills

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or something happens to stop them being able to do it.” Now, this doesn’t happen all the time, but it happens most of the

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time. People who who are corrupt generally don’t last long in this business.

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Mhm. So, Steve, um now that you are quite huge um in the public eye with the

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What others misunderstand about Steve Judd…

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social media, I’ve put on a lot of weight. Yeah. Yeah.

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No, I was going to ask you because I mean certainly there’s a part of astrology that is intuitive from what I

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am picking up from what you said and then people start making judgments about like okay this is not astrology this is

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astrology and now you’re in the public eye you’re huge. So what do you think most people misunderstand about you as a

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public figure in astrology? What do most people misunderstand about

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me? Uhhuh. as a public figure.

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I think it’s in the last two or three years.

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Mhm.

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I find that people’s way of treating me at first on the

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surface is very different. Mhm. So I have to reassure them. You know

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when I’m engaging with an audience for example I will say look

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I live I breathe I fart. I’m just the same as you.

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I’m just a normal bloke who happens to be very good at what he does because I

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have practiced for nearly 50 years. That’s it. Anyone who practice anything

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for a very long time becomes very good at it and they can talk authoritatively

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but it doesn’t mean that they suddenly become a rock star or

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that that’s contemptable. I’m I was I was part of the punk generation.

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You know we don’t do heroes. We don’t do I try not to do arrogance. And even

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saying that sounds arrogant. Mhm. But no, no more no heroes. No,

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everyone’s equal. It has to come from there. Otherwise,

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otherwise you just get leaders and we all know what happens then.

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So, I wanted to ask because in some of your videos, um, you said things like,

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“Okay, I’m gonna I know I’m going to piss a lot of you off or I know some of you are going to get angry.” What would

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you tell those people?

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Uh, I would remind them that everyone’s

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entitled to their opinion. On the one hand, this is just my ideas,

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my opinion, my channel. I will say what I like from an informed, educated, and

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experienced opinion. But sometimes I get it wrong. I made a big mistake the other

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day when I talked about the Texas floods and quite a few people wrote me emails

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and I I’ve got to apologize to them because I said things I shouldn’t have done. I’ve got a big mouth sometimes.

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Other times the planets impel they don’t compel. This is why astrology is not an

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exact science. It’s a mixture of intuition,

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mathematics, geometry, and psychology.

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So, it’s half art, half science. And without all of them, you can’t do

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it. So, you’ve got to be able to dance between the academic and the esoteric.

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Wow. Interesting. Yeah. It’s not an easy dance, I guess. Well, I you are an astrologer. You know

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as well as I do. We are separate.

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Not better or worse, but separate. All of the other divinatory arts,

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tea leaf reading, palm reading, tarot, other forms of card reading, mediumship,

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channeling, they all rely exclusively on the

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intuition of the reader. Astrology has a mathematical and geometric base to it

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which can be proven by statistics.

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Here’s a little one for you. For my MA, one of the papers I wrote was

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um when in 1998 when I was desperately trying to make money first of all with astrology, I thought how am I going to

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do this? So a friend of mine was running the astrological phone lines at the time. I got a job on there.

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And I was I was sat in my little bedset with my big, you know, computer with a

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big big bold bulge behind it. No laptops in those days. And I was do I was

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working six hours a day on the phone lines doing sort of 18 to 20 readings a

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day for anywhere from 15 to 20 minutes. And it’s one after the other. And you know, they’re paying top dollar these

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people. So you’ve got to you you pick the phone. Hello, my name’s an ast. I’m an astrologer. Do you want me to look at

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your chart? Yeah. Right. When’s your date of birth? When’s your time of birth? When’s your place of birth? Click, click. Boom. Off you go. You get

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sharp when you do that. I did about 4,000 readings like that over three years. No, sorry, 8,000 readings over

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three years. And it makes you very sharp. And then when I did my MA, I went back to these readings and I realized

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that I’d kept all the details of the readings. I kept the date of birth, time

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of birth, place of birth, and the first name of the individual.

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So, I knew the gender, and I had 8,000 bits of information.

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Wow. So, I did I crunched the numbers, and I found out that

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men are 3.2 two times more likely to

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reach out for help from the astrological phone lines when the moon in the sky is conjunct Venus

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than they are than when the moon in the sky is opposite Mars.

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Wow. More than three times more likely. And and to me, this this isn’t a statistical

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study of 10 people. It’s 8,000. So this is proof.

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I mean I love the numbers. I love the patterns. Yeah, I was going to ask you that data and statistics and all these things.

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That’s pretty interesting also in the in the conference that you organized. No, you were sitting us by moon or

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something. I was trying to sit in us by moon. I originally had the idea of getting

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everyone together by moon sign having 12 tables. But the problem was we had two people

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there with the moon in Libra, but 18 with the moon in Scorpio. So, you know, it would

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I’m going to do that again. Yeah, please do it because I mean I’m in Burggo and there was only another guy

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and I think that’s it. I’ve got this idea that if we get rid of nation states, we get rid of

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international borders and instead had tribes of people linked by moon sign.

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I love that. Wouldn’t the world be a better place? Definitely.

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I love that, Steve. Okay, Steve. Um, changing gears a little bit. What is one

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Steve’s biggest fears

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fear or limiting belief you’ve had to overcome as an astrologer?

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Being laughed at. I’m a Cancerian.

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Okay. Okay. I got the sun in the 10th house, but I’m a Cancerian. And when I used to go out in the 1980s

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and early 90s before the internet Uhhuh. or computers and people would

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say, “What do you do for a living? I’m an astrologer. You don’t believe in that rubbish, do

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you?” And everyone would just laugh at me.

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And then I’d tell them how much money I was making. They go, “Oh, can I do that?

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How do you do that? That’s not quite right.” But but

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the ridicule, the ignorance and that just made the

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punk in me get more and more right. You right, I’ll show you.

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So how do you over overcome that? Just like you know you stop I guess you stop caring at some point or

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I’ve um cancer thick skin. I’ve got a very thick shell

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and I can genuinely now I know my own truth,

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right? I can prove what I know to be true statistically.

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And if anyone chooses of their own free will to disbelieve me, fine. They’re

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welcome. There’s the door. I love that. I love that when you become

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like so honest and blunt because yeah most astrologers when when we’re

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starting you know we need to kind of like justify ourselves so much in order

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Why he wrote those books?

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to be believed in a way and and there comes Steve Jordan and he’s like okay you like me good you don’t like me good

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so I’ve learned so much from you in that regard so Steve which planet do you have

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the deepest personal relation relationship with and why?

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Oh, now that is a difficult one. Um,

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on the one hand, I would say Pluto because it’s the only planet in my chart

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that doesn’t get any squares or oppositions. Then I would say Saturn because

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Saturn is the only planet that aspects my sun. It shines my sun. But

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really, I suppose I would say the planet I’m most comfortable with is Mercury

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because I have it on my midheaven in Gemini and I talk for a living,

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right? But if we turn this around and say, which planet am I most uncomfortable

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with? Venus.

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Why? I’ve never understood Venus. I’ve never really got what Venus stands

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for. It used to be the planet of love and beauty, but that doesn’t work anymore. It’s much more about what is of

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value and worth, what you appreciate and enjoy, what turns you on. Mhm. But there’s still this Venus is covered

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in cloud and it’s a hellhole underneath those clouds.

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So, you know, I’m a little bit cautious with Venus because

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Venus is a bit like Jupiter. It doesn’t really have boundaries. Yeah.

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And you know, you can have too much of a good thing. Okay. So, maybe that explains why you

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have a book on Pluto, which is absolutely fantastic.

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Tell us more. Pluto. when I I I was rather silly when I was very

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young and and I went through a three or four month period where I took a lot of drugs

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when I was 21 22 and the long-term effect of that was I lost quite a lot of my teeth

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in a short space of time. Um, so for a long time I had a pretty bad mouth and then I had the opportunity

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to get it fixed and and I said in 2012 I had the opportunity to get it fixed. I said

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no, I’m going to wait one more year till 2013 because in 2013 Pluto passed opposite my

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son. And I I’ve been waiting for it for 25 30

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years. And in the 80s I thought, “Oh yeah, Pluto’s going to pass opposite my son in 2013. Oh, I’ll deal with that

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then, you know.” And then in the 2000s it was like, “It’s still 10 years away.” And oh, it’s only three years away. Oh

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it’s here. How am I going to with this? So I thought, well, it’s going to

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hurt, so I might as well hurt twice as much

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and get it both over and done with. So, I had all of my I had titanium mouth put

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in. Oh. So, uh it was about 17 18 different

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surgical procedures over 9 months. Um and Pluto opposite my son. And I

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learned the difference between pain which can be managed and ache which

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cannot. And um it was at that time that I wrote that book.

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Oh. Oh wow. So you were actually like going through that living in Pluto’s grasp when I wrote that book.

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Wow. Steve. Okay. And what about the other fantastic book

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astrologer? That’s my pension. Uh about 2007 2008. I

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thought okay so how am I going to look after myself when I’m old? I know I’ll write a book. Okay. So, what am I going

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to write it on? Well, obviously astrology. And then I realized that the two most biggest subjects on the internet were

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sex and astrology. So, okay, let’s write a book on sex and astrology. So, that’s some of it is

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really humorous and funny. Some of it is really good astrology and part of it is

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really excellent psychology. You know, the aspects between Venus and

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Mars with Uranus, Pluto. Yeah, it’s fantastic. I really liked it and I sometimes I read it with my husband and

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you know we make a we we he laughs you know like oh my god like how is this possible that astrology knows these

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things so it’s a funny exercise I must say thank you for that book it’s been really helpful but um Steve so did you

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How did Astrology find you?

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believe your your soul chose to be an astrologer before you were born

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or why Why or why not?

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I can only give you a partial answer. It’s too big a subject to give a yes or no to.

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But the first thing that got me into western astrology was when I discovered what the

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north node was. M and um and then I thought okay where did

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a few years later I thought where does this north node come from? So I discovered the truth about Madame

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Blavatski and the theosophical society and how she bought the north node back

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from from India from Hindu astrology and she bought with it the Indian Hindu

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astrology version of karma. Oh wow. It was her. I

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It was her, right? And um and so for years I’ve struggled with

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this idea of the north node shows where you’ll go if you struggle hard enough

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and the south node goes where you’ve been and what you’re really good at but you shouldn’t bother with. And I thought

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wait and and eventually it’s around the time that I started changing astrology or calling astrology she instead of it.

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Mhm. And with that came the realization that death is an illusion. We never die. It’s

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just our bodies die. Our souls live forever. And if our souls live forever, then there’s life after physical death

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and life before physical birth, which kind of knocks reincarnation on the head.

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And if that’s the case, then all this stuff around karma is nothing but a

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religious guilt trip. If you’re good this lifetime, you’ll get a better life next time. And if you’re bad this

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lifetime, you’re going to hell. I mean, Christians and Catholics wrote this stuff thousands of years ago. And now

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the Hindus are getting in on it. It’s just religion trying to control us. So

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instead, I suggest that the North Node is about words like mission statement,

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purpose, and the reason why we volunteered to come to planet Earth in

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the first place. Now, if I volunteered to come to planet Earth at this time, we all volunteered,

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but most of us have trouble remembering why we volunteered.

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I’m pretty

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in a very posh school. I was top of a class in everything. I was going to Oxford. I was going to go

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to Cambridge. I was going to be a very big lawyer, maybe a politician. Wow. And then something happened in my family

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life which totally screwed me up. And I’m not going to go into that. But in

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the space of one year, I went from in top in everything to bottom in everything. It was the year that the Uranus Pluto

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conjunction was on top of my ascendant in Virgo.

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Um, within a year I started growing my hair long and then I got expelled from school. So I left school and joined the

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army and and and then it then when I got kicked out the army uh I I went on the

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hippie trail, you know. So um

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I was always going to do something which was going to impact on the world in some shape or form.

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But fortunately astrology found me. People don’t find astrology. Astrology finds people.

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I love that phrase. That’s really cool. Wow. Steve, so um

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talking about your your young years, um what advice would you give to

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your younger self at the moment you first decided to to study astrology?

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Seriously. Don’t change a thing. Don’t change a thing. Don’t Don’t change a thing because

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otherwise I wouldn’t be where I am now. Okay? Don’t mess Don’t change a thing.

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All right? feel the fear and do it anyway. Get through all the pain. Get over yourself and just don’t change the thing.

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Otherwise, you otherwise you I’d be different. You takes one butterfly wing

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to flap and an earthquake goes off somewhere or something like that and and it’s all just successive moments of

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time. So, it only takes one little slip and a whole new timeline begins.

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Mhm. And I don’t know this to be true, but I believe it to be true. And I don’t

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really want to I wouldn’t want to be interested in experimenting by going back and changing things. Everyone says

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if I could go back and change things, my life would be so much better now. Yeah. Really would be much worse.

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So, no, I wouldn’t change a thing, Myra. Nothing. Okay. So, then my next question probably

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wouldn’t work, but I’m going to ask it anyway. Um, if you couldn’t practice astrology anymore,

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what would your life look like?

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Short. Short. Why?

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If I couldn’t practice astrology anymore,

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my life would be empty. Okay. I’ve got a lovely partner. Um, and

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I’ve got a few good friends and I’ve got my other studies, my

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geometry, my crop circles. Yeah, exactly. I was thinking about that. But

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astrology is the single most consistent thing in my life. Yeah,

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I see. My daughter is 44 and I was studying astrology well before she was born.

34:19

So, wow. I I I honestly that that question has

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flawed me. I don’t know what I would do if it weren’t for the astrology. Nothing else could replace it.

34:31

And I think I would probably get old at the moment. I don’t feel old. I’m 70,

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but I don’t feel old. I don’t I feel alive. I feel vibrant. I feel young in

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my heart. And it’s the astrology that does that because this is what doing

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readings does for people. Every time you’re out there and you’re helping people manage their lives better

34:57

and they turn around to you and go, “Thank you. You’ve really made a help me make a

35:03

difference in my life.” You’re not help you’re not healing them. You’re empowering them to heal themselves. And

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when people say thank you and it’s unsolicited, it’s unexpected. It’s unconditional.

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That does wonders for my soul. It makes me feel valued

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and that makes me feel younger. That’s really cool.

35:27

The only way I would stop doing astrology is if the government said, “Right, we’re going to ban astrology.” And I would go,

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“Okay, then.”

35:40

They tried that one before. What happened then? I remember you were

35:45

telling the story where you replaced someone in the newspaper writing the horoscope and

35:51

and you predicted that I think 911 was right and then they came at your door

35:56

and okay Steve so um which transit or or like placement

36:04

in your chart do you think has shaped your career the most and Oh,

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I have Mercury on the mid heaven in Gemini and the exact opposition of Mercury in the mid heaven to my moon in

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Sagittarius on the IC and um also have Venus on the mid heaven

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and the node on the IC and the south node on the MC. So I’ve got this kind of sixpoint opposition on the midheaven I

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see all T square to my ascendant in Virgo.

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Um, I deliberately chose a couple of years ago to publish my chart. My chart

36:44

out there in the world. It’s it’s on a number of different astrological websites. So, anyone who wants to check

36:50

my chart out can easily find it. And I just thought I’m not going to be secret about this. What’s the point,

36:56

right? To hide. Um, so I love um

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I’m a wordssmith. I like words. Words

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the the the origin of the word is ethmology. The root of words, where

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words come from. My biggest regret is that when I was at grammar school for

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two years, they tried to teach me Latin and I said, why do I want to learn this? It’s dead. It’s no interest to me. I’m

37:28

not interested. That is the biggest regret of my life because Latin is the basis of all European languages. Well,

37:35

maybe not Greek, you know, French, Spanish, Italian,

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Latin is so important. So, I wish I had learned Latin more because I love to be

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able to speak eloquently. It’s important to me. But you do speak quite eloquent or

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No, you don’t think so. I I I can be very eloquent. I can be very I

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can find exactly the right words sometimes and other times I can just cut through it like a hot knife through

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butter. Sometimes the best way is just go yes,

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no, deal with it. Yeah. I mean you do your your videos

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like it’s really short and and really to the point. I think that’s a talent. I

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mean, not everyone, at least certainly I can’t do that with astrology. And you come and you I I wonder if it’s coming

38:34

from your Sagittarius moon opposite Mercury where you see the whole picture

38:39

but also the details and then you grab one, two, three, four, five, and then boom, eight minutes of like very useful

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astrology. I don’t know. That’s just my opinion, I guess. Do you know what? I don’t know how it

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happens either. And I hope I never find out because if I knew what I was doing, I

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probably wouldn’t be able to do it right, that does make sense. Yeah,

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so Steve, it’s not magic. It’s just it’s just dancing with the

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energy. Flow flowing, not going with the flow. That’s too easy. Flowing with the

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go. Flowing with the go. The difference when you’re going with the flow, you’re surfing the tidal wave.

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You’re surfing the wave. When you’re flowing with the go,

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you’re still surfing the wave, but you’ve got your hand in the water behind you twisting it round. So, it’s acting

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like a rudder, so you can directly flow that you’re going with.

39:40

Wow. I love that. So, Steve, tell us why an astro documentary? What What inspired

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Why an Astro-Documentary?

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you to do that? Where is this idea coming from? Because

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I’ve always said from the very start of my development in astrology with by the

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time I was two years into it by 1980 I was saying if this were taught in schools we’d see an end to warfare

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within two generations. I’ve now expanded that saying we’d see an end to warfare, violence, misogyny and

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environmental degradation within two generations.

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and and I thought, well, how am I going to deal with the scientists, the

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astronomers, the politicians, and the priests, none of whom want astrology to be real.

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And I thought, well, the only way I’m going to be able to do this is to prove it. Not to prove it statistically

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because too many astrologers have tried that and it’s never worked. But I realized slowly that astrology’s

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outlived every religion, every empire, every culture astrologies the I’ve just

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finished writing a script for a big stone age part of the um documentary.

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They we have found they found tusks and bones going back 40,000 years

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with 29 and a half grooves cut into them. Wow.

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full moon cycle 29 and a half days. Oh, of course.

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Or the Saturn cycle 29 and 2/3 years. That’s true.

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You know, um the the I from from the very start as soon as humanity started

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gathering together in groups, there would have been certain people who would have noted

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the cycles of the full moon and then the equinoxes and the solstesses.

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And they became the priests. And from there comes the first calendars.

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And when you know when the calendars are, then you know when to plant and when to sew, when to reap.

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And uh this is the start of economics. Hence power structures. I see where you’re going.

42:03

So it all comes down to planetary timing. And that’s what you’re trying to prove

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in this documentary as well, right? like showing the cycles and the places

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because you’ve been to all of these places in the documentary. Astrology has been everywhere throughout

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time. It’s just been suppressed and repressed. Mhm. Predominantly by the churches, but also

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by the scientists and the astronomers and today by the media, but that’s

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recent. H so yeah I always had that question about

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like what happened to astrology because there’s a gap where it just stopped was it the the religious um part of history

42:48

where it was all the books were burned and stuff like that that’s what what happened basically

42:54

it didn’t disappear it just moved there was a per what happened in 16 in

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England in 16 39 at the start of the civil war. There was something like

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10,000 astronomical and astrological almanacs in print.

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Wow. Most of these were one side of paper. It’s full moon. Plant your plant your

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potatoes, you know. And most of them ended up on a nail in the toilet. Right.

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Right. 10 years later in 1651,

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there’s six almanacs in print. Uh-huh. Uhhuh.

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And then further on by the time of the late 1600s, you’re

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seeing the first first newspapers, the observer of Tatler. And then you got people like Daniel Defo and Jonathan

43:52

Swift and they’re writing things like, of course, anybody who believes in astrology is an idiot.

43:58

So they got rid of it by ridicule. But astrology didn’t die, it just went

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away. By 1700, you’ve got a professor of astrology at the first Harvard

44:10

University in America. You’ve got astrology was

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massive in America in the 1700s. Mhm. And it didn’t really come back to to

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Europe and Britain till the late 1700s. Although during the 1700s, there were

44:27

people still doing it. People like Kepler Brahe. Mhm. Um but it was under the radar.

44:35

Okay. But it really is from about the discovery of Uranus onwards that it really reemerged into Europe.

44:43

So many astrologers have been tortured, burnt at the stake, killed for their

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work. Interesting, Steve. Um maybe you should write a book about that, you know, history.

44:56

Yeah, one day. One day. Okay. Um, Steve, so what upcoming

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transit do you personally find most inspiring or challenging?

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You mean transit for me or transits for the world? No, no, for you. Let’s talk about you because you always talk about the

45:15

weather. Um, well, what I’m loving is that this year 2025 is the first year for about 25

45:21

years where I’ve got no transits from Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, or even Saturn.

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Oh, transit for a year and it’s like, hey, great. Now I can be me, you know. Um,

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how’s that feeling? Um, I’m having a great time. Um,

45:42

Steve’s aspirations

45:42

I am really beginning to look forward to five years from now when Uranus

45:49

passes on my midheaven and my Mercury. I will be 75, 76 years old. And then I

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will enter my peak. 76 to 83 will be my peak if I live that

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long. Oh, so yeah, I’m really looking forward to that. So, how do you plan to enjoy those

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years? Are you going to do more conferences, more retreats, more classes? I’m going to be world president. not

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um by then I want to be in a position where I can

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almost shame regulatory authorities into getting

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astrology into schools. That would be the single biggest

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achievement possible to get astrology taught to primary school children in its basic form.

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That would be the biggest achievement ever. I can’t, as you know, Alex Trinawath is

46:55

already doing stuff on this and I have to name check her because she’s doing a

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great job. That workshop she did at Shifts Happen was stunning.

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Yes, I do agree with you. For me it was a revelation and and I you know I bought

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her book and you know I had her here on the podcast as well the other day and you know it’s absolutely brilliant

47:18

because I think she’s not only an astrologer she’s a teacher an academic astrologer she’s done the research she’s

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talked to the parents to the children I mean who else you know if you don’t believe her come on like what else do

47:31

you need you know [Music]

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So I can look at this and I can see, wow, okay, the Jupiter return children

47:46

are more in trouble for disruption and the Saturn opposition children are

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not so much in trouble for disruption. They’re starting to calm down because of Saturn opposition.

47:57

Um, now being someone who loves data, I replicated it four times. This might be

48:02

a little bit hard to explain, but you can see that the lines, the blue line and the blue line are correlations of

48:08

the same uh time. So you can see that the blue line shows that keystage 3, the

48:13

younger children 11 to 13 um are more in trouble for disruptive behavior. But you

48:18

can see over here key stage 4, the older children are in um less frequently in

48:24

trouble for disruption. Is I just put them in age order. And if you’re a teacher and you’re listening to this, what I strongly recommend is that

48:31

instead of putting um students in in your markbook alphabetically, put them in age order.

48:38

Okay? So, at the very least, you can see who the oldest children are and who the youngest children are because my

48:43

behavior data and everybody’s behavior data also shows that boys born during the summer in the west in the northern

48:50

hemisphere are more often in trouble than the older children. We would call them Leos, but hey, you know,

48:57

there just to show you um you know an understanding of Jupiter and Saturn. So

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this is Leonardo the character. Hopefully you got him from before. Um so he has Jupiter in Pisces. What was his

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most famous film? Titanic. Thank you. Um he also has Saturn in Cancer

49:16

and Julie except that she has Jupiter in Aries. So, I like to put Jupiter in uh Jupiter

49:23

and Aries learners sitting next to Jupiter and Pisces learners because the Jupiter and Aries learners will keep the

49:30

Jupiter and Pisces learners awake. And the Jupiter and Pisces learners will

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bring to the Jupiter and Aries learning, slow down, enjoy, use your imagination,

49:41

put the poke under your pillow and let it osmosis. So, what if I do have a serious problem?

49:49

So, Drew Barrymore, one of my um case studies, she started smoking at 9, drinking alcohol at 11, smoking

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marijuana at 12, snorting coke at 13, and all before her first sudden opposition at around the age of 15.

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Angelina um suddenly dropped acting classes, both her parents are famous actors, and she wants to become a

50:07

funeral director. She also starts self harming. And Leo had no known problems during

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this time. He went on to star Titanic just in time for a second Jupiter return. So, let’s focus on these girls.

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50:27

2026: A major turning point for global consciousness

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Okay. Um, finally, Steve, um, can you tell us more about this upcoming configuration in July 2026 where we’re

50:36

having a sort of a basket, you know? Yeah. Do you remember that you mention it in

50:42

Can you tell us more how what does it mean for you or for humanity? If I wanted to be esoteric about this, I

50:50

would say that we are now finally and permanently entering the age of Aquarius.

50:55

Mhm. But with all the outer planets making harmonious aspects to each other in a

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way that has never happened before in living memory, and I don’t think it’s

51:07

happened like this in 10,000 years, it seems that as a species, we are now at

51:13

the end of our apprentichip. We are now about to make an evolutionary

51:19

leap into an elevated and enhanced form of

51:24

consciousness which is going to change everything. And this is why the power brokers are so

51:30

desperate to suppress astrology now because they know that we are the spokesperson. Astrology is the lingua

51:37

franker of the emerging consciousness revolution. It is the language which everyone will speak in the future.

51:46

That is why without even realizing it, I didn’t mean to organize shifts happen.

51:53

It just fell into my lap. It was going to be a team effort. And

51:58

then it was like, “No, Steve, you do this.” I’m like, “All right, if no one else’s, I will.” And it was brilliant.

52:05

And that’s why we’re doing it next year. Yeah. I love it because and and it’s such a important

52:12

time in human history. It’s not just about us now.

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It’s about the hopes and dreams of our ancestors for tens thousands years sat

52:25

around their campfires dreaming of a time where the the the the future with

52:30

with the reason for existence would be explained. And we have that responsibility.

52:38

I I I it’s an amazing time to be alive. Steve, what do you think? Just quickly

52:45

just your your thoughts. And in that configuration, we have a Pluto in Aquarius opposing Jupiter in Leo.

52:52

Yeah. Um can you tell us a little bit more how do you think that could play out or

52:59

what? Yeah. Every time I see Jupiter opposite Pluto in a personal chart, Mhm. I’m I’m either seeing someone who

53:06

wants to be a dictator, a fascist, or

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a really good psychologist. Oh, okay. Um,

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and I know Jupiter is going to be opposite Pluto, but it’s also going to be sexiling Uranus trining Saturn,

53:26

Neptune with Uranus trying Pluto. So, so there’s a lot of get outs here, right? in the future is going to be with

53:32

the technology the not just AI but with the advent of um nanotech

53:38

quantum mechanics particularly holographic communication that’s the big one in two

53:44

years time when you start you know you just press a button and someone else’s avatar

53:50

appears in your front room in front of you transparent in real time look this is real this is going to happen

53:58

this this is already beginning to happen in the laboratories Um, we’re we’re we’re moving beyond what

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we’ve done before. We’re moving into a vastly expanded perception field where

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we’re going to become far more than we’ve been. This is why I’m not worried about the technology.

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We’ll keep technology and and evol and and brain circuitry and evolution will

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will run parallel with each other. It’s it’s the most exciting time of

54:34

human history. And I know that every time every generation who’s lived has always thought they live in a golden

54:40

era. But when you look at what’s happened in the last 50 or 60 years,

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there’s no one alive now under 35 years old who remembers what it was like before the internet,

54:53

right? Wow. Yeah, that Yeah. Oh my god. I never thought about that, but it’s true.

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You know, 40 years ago. 42 years 40 I got my first computer

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28 years ago. 28 years ago. Okay. That’s when I got my

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first astrological software. Mhm. 1997

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19 27 years ago. 1998 I got my first astrological software. I had my first email in 1999. I had my first website in

55:25

2001. We’ve come such a long way in such a short space of time and it’s getting

55:30

faster. I mean, here am I streaming one sixth of the way across the world to you in a

55:37

different country. Yeah, that’s unbelievable. We we just I think people take for granted certain

55:42

things when we don’t stop for a minute and just look around. Thank you, Steve. Lastly,

55:48

what does Steve Jo does during the weekend when he’s not doing astrology? What is he doing? Is he watching TV,

55:56

What Steve does when astrology is not around?

55:56

listening to music? So, what do you do when astrology is not around?

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Last weekend I went to Hyde Park on Friday to see Van

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Morrison, Cat Stevens, and Neil Young. Oh, Saturday I went to Hide Park to see

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Stevie Wonder. Wow. This weekend

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I’m doing my accounts. Uh the weekend after

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I’m going to go for walks in a garden center. Nice. You know, getting out in nature.

56:31

and getting under the stars and waving at the moon.

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I always wave. Pretty nice. Steve, um, what advice can you give to the next generation of

56:44

astrologers in this world we live in? There’s two things I would say to the next generation of astrologers.

56:51

One is keep it simple. Tight orbs.

56:58

Forget about most of the asteroids and the external planets, the you know the tra trans neptunian planets. Keep it

57:06

simple. The second thing is respect the traditions of astrology.

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And that doesn’t mean do it the old ways, but it does mean

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and and and I’m never going to change on this. If you cannot draw a horoscope by

57:22

hand, you are not an astrologer. Mhm. Learn to do it by hand because what

57:28

happens if all the computers break down? What happens if the inter internet goes down? What if there’s a CME, coronal

57:35

mass ejection and all the satellites go down? Boom. Civilization gets knocked back for 20

57:41

years until we get more satellites up there. Um, so yeah, do horoscopes by

57:47

hand. Besides that, when you’re drawn by hand, the magic comes out piece by piece

57:53

and soaks itself into you. And I think, yeah, something happens when

57:59

you when you actually do anything by hand, like journaling or writing your video script or website content,

58:06

whatever, because I think yeah, there there is so different than typing in the computer. I I really try

58:12

to keep that. Um, when you when you’re drawing a horoscope by hand and you draw the circles in and then you put all the planets names in

58:19

and you put all the listings in and the fire, earth, air, water and you get it all set up, all the details in and then

58:25

the last thing you do is you draw the lines in and the aspect pattern comes

58:31

alive and all of a sudden it’s like a multi-dimensional portal.

58:37

It’s it’s it’s just something about it and as opposed to pressing a button, click, there’s the chart, right?

58:44

That’s easy. Great. Steve, thank you so much. Tell us more. What is um what’s coming? Do you

58:50

have courses coming, webinars? We know the documentary is is still in the works. The history of Western astrology. I

58:56

still want to get it out by the end of the year. We’re renting a cinema in the center of the West End of London to show

59:03

the first two episodes pretty shortly now. Um um

59:10

we’re doing myself and Penny are doing the conference at Amadan at the end of March of next year. Shifts happen to

59:16

Touble O. Yay. Will be happening in midMay. In midMay,

59:22

I’m starting my beginner’s course of astrology again in late September through to February of next year, every

59:29

Thursday evening. And um everyone who’s on my database will be getting an email

59:35

with all of these details. I’ve got various courses coming out on various educational platforms

59:42

uh on on teaching yourself astrology. When I get time, I’m writing more books. I’ve got about three books, four books

59:48

on the go. Oh, really? when I get when I get time. And

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and yeah, I’m I’m doing as many interviews online as I can because I don’t have time to travel to do them in

1:00:03

person. Yeah, I would love that too. But thank God bless the Zoom and technology that

1:00:08

we can do that even, you know. Um so Steve, thank you so much for your

1:00:14

time, your energy, your your wisdom, and your kind words. I hope to have you again soon to discuss uh other things

1:00:20

and you know um take care folks. Bye now. And uh I haven’t got a it’s got hello world on

1:00:27

the front. Uh it hasn’t got good catch you later on on the back but it will

1:00:32

have it. Okay. So catch you later guys. [Music]