Pluto Took It All! Backstage Astrology Interview with Robin Jillian

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I left my business of 20 years that I created and it was like family to me. My

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employees were family to me. It wasn’t just like a business to make money. It was from here my heart. I left my

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marriage of 30 years. Wow. And I moved across the country all by myself. I had no idea, you know, being

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the good sagge, you know, it was like I was always the kind of person that I would leap and then I would say, “Okay,

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was my parachute on?” I I went into this dark night of the

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soul and it took a long time for me to really to function again. I wasn’t doing

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well and I just I got caught completely offguard. I’m a Sagittarius son.

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I’m a Taurus ascendant and I’m a Pisces moon. There’s a lot of

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grief in a Pisces moon. A lot of release. A lot of And it’s at the tail

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end of Pisces. So, I’ve been I’ve been dancing with Neptune for years. I know what it’s like to completely

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disappear from your own life. How How has it been for you actually this 2025 that is almost ending? It’s a

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major turning point. This is not just some other um transit if you will.

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Saturn holds you completely accountable, responsible. It’s a maturing

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energy like Pluto. Pluto doesn’t care in that way. Pluto takes no prisoners. Pluto’s like

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it’s going to strip you bare. No. And you cannot spiritually bypass it. Yeah.

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You cannot. I think I really related well to the

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Pluto Jupiter conjunction in my fifth house. What evolutionary

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astrology teaches us is the depth. There’s so much. It’s always the why.

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Every single planet and symbol in your chart, there is a why behind it. And

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that’s the question that Pluto asks. Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Right. Why were you born with the sun in

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Aquarius? Yes. Why?

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talk. And I started with um uh going to to the

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um conferences or the workshops, the three-day workshops that Steven Forest

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offered then California. I discovered through him Jeffrey and

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when I Jeffrey Wolf Green, okay, the founder of EA and when I discovered

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Jeffrey, my whole world changed. It was like, wow, this is what I’m here for. I’m a humanist and I believe in the

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power and potential of the human spirit.

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So, welcome back to another backstage astrology episode. My name is Maria Medina and today I’m very excited to be

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with Robin Gillian, evolutionary astrology. Robin, how are you today? Thank you so much for being here with

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us. It’s a delight and thank you. I’m I’m thrilled to be here and share my story.

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Um my love for astrology is is never ending. It excites me. It it it

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thrills me when I realize and learn things and see deeply into the charts

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and know that I can help people. It’s great. It’s the best. It’s a gift.

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That’s awesome. Yeah. Jillian, tell people a little bit for those who don’t know you before I ask you about your

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backstage story. What type of astrology do you do? What’s your expertise? And

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what are you working on these days? Okay. I’m an evolutionary astrologer,

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which is um I think of it as a very specialized branch of astrology because

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it assumes reincarnation. Okay. And beyond that, it’s a clear map

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of how the soul has come into this life, what it’s what the soul is here to

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accomplish, where it’s been. You know, you kind of pick up on where it’s been, what you’re working through. Um, you

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know, your talents, your skills, the challenges within that. um the uh even

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even as much as showing where the um trauma traumas have been and what you

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need to work through. Um so for me it’s a gift that God gave us. That’s how I

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see it. And it’s a map that allows us to not only just see understand more about

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who we are and our purpose, but when you really get into the charts and I know um

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I don’t know if a lot of astrologer you use the phases. I’m huge on the phases

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because that shows where you’re at in the process and just you know as as far

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as people understanding that you just look at it as cycles of the moon. you know, we have our new moon, we have our,

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you know, waxing moon, we have, excuse me, full moon, waning moon, you know, it’s a whole cycle. But the planets do

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that with each other and that shows where we’re at in the process so that we

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can energetically feel into it and move it in that way or

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in the case of a ending phase, release it, let it go, know that it’s coming to

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a close. Yeah. And we were just talking before before recording starting the recording

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about Neptune and and Saturn and how how we’re living it. No. How how has it been

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for you actually this 2025 that is almost ending? Yes. Yes. It’s it’s very uh it’s a major

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turning point. This is not just some other transit if you will. Okay. I’m an

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evolutionary astrologer which is um I think of it as a very specialized branch

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of astrology because it assumes reincarnation.

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Okay. And beyond that it’s a clear map of how the soul has come into this life,

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what it’s what the soul is here to accomplish, where it’s been. Um because

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we’re at the very last of the end of the cycle. Pisces is the last sign of the zodiac as you know. Uh, Neptune just

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went back from Aries into Neptune in its retrograde cycle, which means it it’s going backwards, okay? Or appears to be

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going backwards. Um, and so it’s at the it’s it’s culminating, it’s finishing up

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lifetimes of karma of um of how we have

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known meaning in our life. Um, deep deep meaning, how we’ve connected with source

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or spirit. even if you don’t see it that way. um you know not everybody does um

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it’s like a coming to just you could say nature it’s just like being a part of

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the all that is you know so however you see that and Saturn is our boundaries

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our structures it’s how we it’s the it’s the uh conditioning the consciousness

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that we’re living within and it’s like also in Pisces so it’s like creating

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form in the formless because Pisces is formless. Pisces is,

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you know, and Saturn is the structure, right, of, you know, how we put things together, you know, this table that I’m

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sitting at, you know, it’s it’s it’s it’s real. It’s um it’s how we develop

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the mastery in our life, how we become more in alignment with our soul. Saturn, I always think of Saturn is the um

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school is the teacher that gave you homework. And if you didn’t do the homework, there were no excuses.

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Saturn holds you completely accountable, responsible. It’s a maturing

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energy, you know, where Jupiter can be far more forgiving with that. Oh, you

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were having a good time. Oh, it’s all right. That’s Saturn. Oh, no. So, I just

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see this very, very special time to tune into what do you need to let go of? You

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know personally personally no all each of us. Correct.

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Jillian tell us about your big three. You want to share with us your sun, your moon, your rising sign so people get the

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vibe. Sure. Of course. I’m a Sagittarius sun.

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I’m a Taurus ascendant and I’m a Pisces moon.

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Oh, what a mix. Yes. And it’s um and what’s really

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interesting is my moon, but my moon is also the tip of a yad, a very very

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strong yach, the finger of God is called. Yeah. And it’s relating to Pluto and Jupiter

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and Mars and Neptune. So in other words, the point is that the moon is getting an

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incredible amount of energy in this lifetime to develop. It’s although God

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kind of said, you know, they call it the finger of God. So it’s like God said you will develop you will develop this Pluto

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Pluto doesn’t care in that way. Pluto takes no prisoners. Pluto’s like

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it’s going to strip you bare. You cannot spiritually bypass it.

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Yeah. You cannot. And that’s why I feel like my voice is

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so important because I’ve walked through the fire over and over again. Especially the last nine to 10 years. It’s been

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over incredible moments of you’re down on your knees. When they say Pluto can

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bring you to your knees, I think it’s it’s a kindness. It’s more like you’re dropped into the dirt face down. Lucky

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if you can breathe through the dirt in your nose and your mouth. really truly.

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So can you tell us more about that story? Maybe some people can relate because we are I think all going through

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really significant changes. Maybe some are more aware, some are not very aware, but they probably feel that something’s

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coming and maybe it’s related to to surrendering no with Neptune, Saturn. So

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So you want to share that story? Yeah, I’ll tell you a little bit. Um I’ve written a lot about this. There

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comes a time in your life and there are signposts along the way when these times

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are really prevalent for you. There’s different things that you’ll experience in your life. Often times it’s through a

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lot of loss. Like all of the sudden I lost my job. I came home and found my

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mate in bed with somebody else. Um I mean like really big things. U my house

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caught fire and burned down. I mean, and it doesn’t seem to happen just one event. It seems like a couple of events

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to kind of really capture your attention. Way I see it is there comes times, as I

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said, that the soul is called to evolve

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and you don’t have a choice. It’s referred to as the dark knight of the soul. I’m sure you’ve heard that.

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Everybody has really. And so it’s when when that time happens for you in your

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life, as far as I see it, you always have a choice. You can numb

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out. You can disappear from your life. You can

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um run uh compensate in a lot of different ways for that. you know, maybe

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maybe drugs or um just different types behavior.

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But for me, I see it as these time this time happens in your life and you don’t have a choice but to if you’re

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listening, you hear the calling of your soul and it like starts whispering and then it gets louder and louder and

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louder till it’s like if you’ve been to drum circles, you know, boom boom boom

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boom boom boom boom boom boom. For me, that’s what happened. Some leading up to this. So approximately 10 years ago, I

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left my business of 20 years that I created and it was like family to me. My employees were family to me. It wasn’t

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just like a business to make money. It was from here, my heart. And I left my business. I sold it. I

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left my marriage of 30 years. Wow. And I moved across the country all by

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myself. I had no idea, you know, being the good sagge, I had no idea, you know,

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it was like I was always the kind of person that I would leap and then I

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would say, “Okay, was my parachute on?”

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And it always served me because I always trusted my intu intuition. I have really

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strong intuition. Wow. And I’ve always lived that way. And so I

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I went into this dark night of the soul and it took a long time for me to really

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to function again. I wasn’t doing well and I just I got

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caught completely off guard. Wow. And the the decision to leave your

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your business, was it something you decided consciously or or was something you you had to do, you needed to do? So

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how was that transition of or that awareness back then? Sure. It was conscious.

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Um I had grown bored with it. It was time. Okay. Okay. When you do something for 20 years.

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Yeah. You know, I’m not that I’m I constantly have been doing I’ve had a lot of different um entrepreneurial ventures in

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my life. And so for me to do something that long, I was I had mastered it. I had done

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really well. And so I it was time. It was time. So that was part of the

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overall transition. What was that? That’s very very brave to do all those

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changes uh by yourself and also consciously because you know

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most of the times we need to come or something. But but tell us more tell us about your astrological journey. How did

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astrology find you or what was happening in your life when you found astrology?

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How was that that process? A wonderful time. Um my mother was

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always into astrology a little bit. She kind of made I was aware of it. She didn’t know about charts or anything,

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but she would know about the sun signs. And in fact, what was cute, I’ll have to tell you this. So when I got pregnant

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with my daughter, my first um and I went to tell my mother and I

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was unmarried at the time, but I went to tell my mother and um I said, “Mom, I’ve

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got good news and bad news.” She said, “What’s that?” I said, “The good news is I’m pregnant and the and the bad news is

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it’s going to be a Virgo.”

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Of course, your mom knew. Yeah. So, your you told your mom it’s going to be a Virgo. And how did she

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react? Well, she’s a Virgo. Ah. So, there was kind of a you know, a play

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on words there. But um so um it literally was um a download.

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I was working running my store, you know, life was life, you know, raising a family, running my business. And I was

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wanting something else um in my life. And I literally woke up one morning

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and I looked around the room and I said, “I know what I want to be. I want to be an astrologer.

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Nice. That’s how it was. It was that clear and I started the process of finding

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teachers. So walk us through that process of finding teachers because I I don’t know

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you will tell us when that exactly happened but today you know with social media there are so many voices. But how

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was that process for you of finding your teachers? Did you read books? Did you went to conferences? Like how was that

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journey? Sure. Yeah, it was a it was interesting. It was a it was a a long journey. But

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you know what? I I I trust myself to feel into things deeply.

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And I started with um uh going to to the

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um conferences or the workshops, the three-day workshops that Steven Forest

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offered, California. But I went there and then I discovered through him

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Jeffrey. And when I Jeffrey Wolf Green, okay, the founder of EA and when I

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discovered Jeffrey, my whole world changed. It was like it was finding the

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voice I had been waiting for. And then I I experimented a lot with a lot of the teachers, but kept within the EA

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community. The EA for those who don’t know, it’s the evolutionary astrology.

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Okay. Yes. Evolutionary astrology. And one of my big teachers in the early days was Ari Mosha Wolf, which I know you

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know Ari. He came here. That’s right. That’s right. That’s right. He’s been one of my was one of my

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really big teachers. In fact, he was even many many many years ago.

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Yeah. Oh, that’s amazing that you guys know each other. That’s really cool. So for those who

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don’t know, how would you tell them like uh the difference between any other branch of astrology and evolutionary

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astrology so they they get it a little bit better. I can and I just went to a conference and I don’t want to say where

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because I don’t want to say anything you know that isn’t you know of the highest compliments but I just went to a

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conference that was not EA and I was very disappointed and I went because I

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just wanted more community and um you know there’s always something to learn

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what I have discovered is that I stick with astrologers that are EA what I’ve

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discovered is that different people have different skill sets like or different areas that they focus

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on. But I find that a lot a lot of astrology and I guess your question was I’m not

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answering it is what’s the kind of the difference. Classical astrology to me is

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more shallow surface level. What evolutionary

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astrology teaches us is the depth. There’s so much. It’s always the why.

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every single planet and symbol in your chart, there is a why behind it. And

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that’s the question that Pluto asks. Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Right. Why were you born with the sun in

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Aquarius? Yes. Why?

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Talk like there’s there’s a why. And it’s

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it’s because it’s what your soul is unfolding, what your evolutionary path

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is, the growth. And you know, I say, you know, it’s on my website is I didn’t

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choose the way the role is play. I didn’t choose the system. I just play the role

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that my soul chose in this life. Yeah. I love it. I have it here in in your website. It’s it’s I didn’t I

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didn’t write the script. I live to play the role of my soul chose. It’s so

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beautiful because it’s so true, you know, especially these days that you know we keep trying to have uh

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control over you know things and life and I think the planets are telling us

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guys drop it. You know what it’s your nature. It’s like if you’re a monkey, you know, you

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know, don’t try to tell me that I’m meant to swim in the ocean or live in the ocean. It’s not going to work. You

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have to understand, you know, you don’t have to, but it’s very helpful if you

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can understand your own nature and accept yourself the way you are. And so many of us do not accept ourselves, love

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ourselves, believe in ourselves, and that’s what is

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important to me to help people with. That’s beautiful. So, in this journey of like going to

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conferences, finding Jeffrey and Stephen and their community, What would you say

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were the biggest challenges you faced in learning in mastering the the branch of

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evolutionary astrology? It’s combining the um for me it was um

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using the left brain and the right brain balancing that in other words in learning astrology there’s a lot of left

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brain there’s a lot of left brain which is the logical mind you know what do what are the functions

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of consciousness of the individual planets feeling into that though with your intuition and your heart and

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combining that um there’s a very well-known evolutionary astrologer

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um by the name of Laurel Nabandian. I can I’m sure I could say this that she

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um she almost quit. She’s very well known now. She’s been in EA for

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Nostalgia for years and years and years. Very well known in the community. Very well known. And she said she almost quit

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because it was so hard in the beginning. So I would just say that it’s for me to

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really go deep there’s a lot of study

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there’s a lot of integration if you want to go really deep if you want to stay surface level you can still do good work

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don’t get me wrong you can you can help people but for for I think a lot of the

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EA community especially because of the psychology the Pluto

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Yes. Yes. you know, you I I I need to go deep, you know, or I’m not satisfied.

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And I mean, I’m like never going to be satisfied. I don’t think I think I’ll probably die saying but but why?

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Yeah, that’s that’s interesting. And I always ask like um well most astrologers that are that have like a therape

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therapeutic touch because I think evolutionary astrologers are astrologers but there is also kind of like a

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psychologist side. So how do you deal with that fine

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line where you are the astrologer but then you end up being sort of a

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therapist in a way to your clients. How how do you manage that? I guess by

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honoring where they are in their process and letting them letting them speak so

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that you can reflect back to them what it is they’re experiencing so that they

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can be fully seen and know that it’s it’s okay that this

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is the process that they’re going through and to tune in to where they are

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ready. See, not everybody’s as ready. Um, part of the evolutionary astrology

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teaching is levels of consciousness. Please elaborate. All right. Um, so Jeffrey talks about um

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consensus, mentality is the way to put it. Um, individuated

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and spiritual. And within those three, there’s three sections.

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What does this mean? when somebody and I think this goes to people that are compatible. I do a lot of relationship

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work in terms of helping people understand not necessarily couples. I haven’t really got I will I’m sure but I

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haven’t really but helping them to understand about what they need in love and

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relationships and what’s holding that maybe how they’re holding you know how

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they’re prisoners kind of sometimes within their own constructs of what it’s

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supposed to be that kind of thing. So it’s it’s allowing people to um

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sometimes just to be seen really fully for the first time. Mhm. It’s very It’s very cathartic. It’s very

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uplifting. So there’s the consensus which is like it’s like is there a difference between a second grader and a

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10th grader? Is there anything wrong with the second grader? No. The second

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grader is learning second grade things. So the consensus is more your everyday

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average kind of um I would say probably I think Jeffrey says like like maybe 70

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80% of the humans on this planet are more consensus then you go into individuated

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and again there’s a one two three and it’s like people that are kind of leaning out of that consensus and saying

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h I can start thinking for myself h astrology

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h that sounds interesting what’s that about you know that kind of thing whereas consensus would be like

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astrology you know they wouldn’t understand that.

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So then there’s individuated states and um then there’s the spiritual state.

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So when you’re in the you’re you transition through life your lifetime these states of consciousness help you

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to understand and relate to your client. That’s what I was trying to get at because somebody who has

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um let’s say a lot of a second house activity in their charts, the house of

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values, the house of what we need, how we uh embody our own self-love, our

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resources, our survival, what do we need to survive. It’s it’s more of I got to stand on my

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own kind of feeling in that second house. um somebody let’s say just put in a

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framework somebody that’s in a consensus uh reality consciousness they might be

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more about the things that life the things they have in life such as I want

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the new car I want the you know I want this I want these toys I want this they

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relate more to material those types of things right whereas

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somebody who’s more in the higher individuated state and or you know transitioning even to spiritual is not

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going to care as much about those things. Certainly there’s a practical reality to life. Yeah, we like a home.

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We want food on our table. But there’s much more of a spiritual I want to

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embody this. It’s more about spiritual principles as part of the of the

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survival as part of what I need as part of what I value. Does that make sense now? a little bit more the difference

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and why how you clients and I I think it does because it’s

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definitely from what I’m hearing or catching is that this evolutionary astrology is not very rational. It’s

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more about the cons like consciousness right and working on that I don’t know stages

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or or ladder and it doesn’t matter if you’re second grade or 10 everything is fine because everyone is every each soul

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is living their own process this is how I understood correct me if I’m wrong

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you were mentioning earlier before that it was hard to there is a lot of

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integration certainly in evolutionary astrology because he’s the concepts And then this like I don’t know how to

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describe it like an intuition thing where you need to connect. How did you master that? Like I’m sure

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it required a lot of patience and practice and self-awareness. Like how

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does that happen? It was years and years and years for me. I was so dedicated to it that there

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wasn’t a day even days that I was working in my business that on my way in it was like a 40minute drive uh back and

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forth and I would listen to podcasts on my way in my way out and on the days

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that I wasn’t going into my business I would sit outside and study like for hours and I’d watch the hair in my arms

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stand up as I would see things in the chart and I go like oh my god it’s amazing. Ah, so a lot of being aware of

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your your body reactions and like God feeling in a way I guess. Wow. I guess you know everybody’s got their

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skills you know and some people are really good maybe more with um different aspects of the astrology or certain

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layers. I’m more into the transformational because I have so much Scorpio which is about transformation.

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It’s you know Pluto rules Scorpio. So it’s like for me I focus a lot and this

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is just kind of my thing is I focus more on the outer planets and what are they

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so which are you know Uranus, Neptune and Pluto because those are considered the big

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hitters as far as the planets of transformation whereas like Mars and

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Venus and your moon those are more your your personality. They move much

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quicker. Um they’re very very important of course you know your inner needs your

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values how you relate how you trust how you give um what’s really important to

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you your feelings are very venian you know let’s say you put that in a a tight

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relationship where it’s speaking to Pluto then you can say beyond a shadow of a

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doubt that that function is of for high high evolution in your

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lifetime. Wow. So well I have Venus in conjunct

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Pluto. Have Venus in conjunct Pluto. Is that what you say? Okay. So then then the

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question would be in in evolutionary astrology the question would be what I would say if I look at that first of all

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first of all you have to recognize where Pluto is house and why okay so you have a you really feel it

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you know where you know what what is this soul here to evolve what what is she what um where has this soul been

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clinging to for emotional security oh wow there’s like a there’s like a

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obsessiveness than Pluto because it Pluto, you know, the soul wants to remain secure and

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Pluto wants to rip everything open. That’s Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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So, when any planet is in a tight aspect, Pluto, it’s up for high

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evolution in the life. It’s always going to be a big focal point. You could do a

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reading on that alone. Wow. Interesting. There are so many

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things and like I said it’s you have to decide what why are you an astrologer I

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think in the beginning just cuz I really wanted to learn it and I wanted to be that but I didn’t see it like

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necessarily as a huge part of my life at that time you know that it was like I was actually going to you know give up

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everything to do it I I didn’t know that that in evolutionary astrology the transpersonal

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were more important so can you tell us um What’s Uranus about? Neptune and Pluto in evolutionary astrology.

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Yeah. And it’s not really that’s more important. They all work together, but those are the planets of

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transformation. Those are the big hitters. Uranus is about liberation.

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Freedom from the known, deconditioning, being more authentically

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yourself rules the sign of Aquarius. Neptune is about dissolving.

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It come when it comes in and plays in a big important role. It just it just kind

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of dissolves everything in this mist of fog. And it’s not to hurt you, but it can

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feel that way because your ego, what you’ve been, you know, how you’ve been

32:51

holding on and living. And there’s nothing wrong with an ego, by the way. These spiritual groups that say it’s about getting rid of the ego. I couldn’t

32:57

disagree more. Um I we’re here on earth on this planet for a reason. Okay, we’re

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here to live a purpose. Okay, is my feeling. And I want to relate to that. That’s my Taurus practicality. Okay.

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But but Neptune is here to dissolve to loosen up so that we can be more free to

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experience the love, what is most meaningful in life,

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surrender, compassion. But it’s it it teaches us through basically taking away

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anything that is of that is that we’re holding on to that’s an illusion and

33:43

Pluto is the core no planet in evolutionary astrology isn’t it? Can you tell us more about you know Pluto in our

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charts from an evolutionary perspective? Yeah. Yeah. Where Pluto sits in your chart by house and sign is more

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generational but it does play an important role. Okay. But it’s more of a generational thing. But like for

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example, if Pluto would be in the first house, which is the house of Aries, okay, you the way that I go into it, the

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first thing I’ll say to myself is, okay, this person, this soul is is an Aries

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soul. So I can go, okay, and I can start really feeling into the

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Aries archetype, both the positive and the shadow.

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And then you want to look at how Pluto relates to the other planets in the chart. Does it have a lot of aspects?

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Jeffrey used to say that the more aspects you have to Pluto, the more work

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you’re here to do. Yeah. So, you can look at a chart, you know,

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of a client, whatever, and you can see somebody that has a lot of Pluto

34:53

aspects. They’ve probably had experienced a lot of up and down loss, you know, losses in

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their life where they’ve had to let things go. Not necessarily an easy life, but rewarding

35:08

and coming into their own power. And by coming into your own power, it’s really,

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again, it sort of works. That’s how I like to see it. It works with the other outer planets. It’s like Neptune

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dissolves what no longer we need in our lives or is opening us up in ways that

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we couldn’t see otherwise. But first, it goes through cycles of clarity and confusion. Neptune’s not straight.

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Neptune dissolves the ego part and asks you to be more open, self- forgiving

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even would be a good word, things like that. and Uranus comes along and says, “Oh no, uh-uh. We’re breaking

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out.” You know, you know, it hits you and it and it just

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it destabilizes. It’s can be even shocking. It’s also related to trauma in the chart where Uranus lives its aspect

36:08

and Aquarius is associated with trauma as well. Trauma. Oh wow. Really?

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That’s news. That’s news to me. That’s good to know. Yeah, Jeffrey talked about that. There’s

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actually, you know, if you’re interested, there’s books out there. I think uh there might be just a book in

36:26

fact by Jeffrey on that just specific on that specific part. But again, you

36:32

know, everybody’s got their thing and what they’re good at more or less. You know, even in EA, you know, it’s it’s

36:38

not always the same. You know, they’re going to have different approaches. are going to have to they’re have to decide

36:44

what’s most important. To me, my bottom line is how can I be helpful. It’s not

36:50

about showing how much I know. It’s about how can I be helpful to this soul? How can I

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free them? I’m very uranian in nature. I I don’t have a lot of Well, I have

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some important things in Aquarius. Not a lot, you know, necessarily, but um I have it in place in my chart

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where it’s part of my roots, my deep roots, my structure. I see. And it was part of my, you know, my

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early life, which was not great. And so Pluto has been in an opposition

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to that in my chart. Oh, wow. A long time now. It’s been going back and forth because you know Pluto goes

37:30

forward and then it goes retrograde and forward and because it moves so slowly

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it takes a long time. So when it comes to an important point in your chart it’s not quick.

37:42

It’s a Yeah. It’s a whole process. Yeah. Yeah. But if you can work with it then you’ll

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you’ll be happier. You’ll you’ll get through it easier. you’ll have greater

37:53

understanding and self forgiveness really because it’s it’s hard. It really is hard. I call it like I see it.

38:00

Yeah. So what about the the nodes because they are also very important. No in

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evolutionary astrology. How what’s your view your approach the nodes of the moon are really

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crucial. It gives you more information on where the soul’s coming from and where again where it’s been clinging.

38:18

Pluto is like the bottom line soul program. Oh, everything relates back to that Pluto.

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The nodes are there’s a south node and a north node. The south node is referring more to the past.

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So, it’s like what realities or ways of being have you been living that you’ve

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been again it’s like a clinging to? It’s a south node. It’s where you came from. It needs to grow. needs to go to evolve.

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So you look at the south node with kind of an eye going hm okay what is what is

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being needing to be released here. What has been what has been the story line

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with that south node that created that pluto where that pluto bottom line program is and they fit together like

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pieces of a puzzle. M and then the north node again like in astrology we or evolutionary astrology

39:16

we very much focus on polarities. So if you’ve got a lot of Aries energy a lot

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of times what would the healing energy look like? It would look like the opposite sign which is Libra

39:30

you know. So they all work that Taurus, Scorpio, Gemini, Sagge they work together

39:37

and you can understand more about the the individual placements by kind of

39:43

saying, okay, just to yourself, even in your head, what would the growth look like in this, you kind of can go, okay,

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opposite sign and house, where’s the growth? And that helps a client to be

39:56

able to see where they they’re headed if

40:02

they embrace it, if they want to cooperate with it. And usually anybody

40:07

that’s coming to an astrologer wants that very much. that’s why they’re seeking astrology. Like I would never see a client that came to me and said,

40:16

“Oh, I want to um I want I want to find the love of my life. When’s that going

40:22

to happen?” That’s not the kind of astrology I do. And I’m not saying there would be

40:27

indicators of, you know, when there certain openings, but that’s not what I’m interested in. I’m interested in the

40:33

early. So, going a little bit um back into your your story, was there ever a

40:39

moment where where you said, you know, f it. I I’m never going to become an

40:44

astrologer. This is so hard. So, how did you overcome?

40:50

Actually, what happened was um when I went through my really really dark night, you know, like initially like

40:56

when I went through all my changes like at once, it took me a while to recalibrate.

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and um and I had moved across the country to be closer to my sons, but they were 2 hours away. But still, you

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know, during that really bad period, I I after years of every day, I just

41:16

stopped. I couldn’t do it anymore. Yeah. I gave it up. I wasn’t doing

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really anything with it at all for years. How what made you come back to to the to

41:30

studying again to to take it again? Um

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I guess I was coming more in into who um my next step in life. Like I’ve always

41:44

been in service and but service at a different level. So

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now this was about for me was about the highest form of service and that is

41:55

freeing people from the illusions that they live under. I realized that I

42:02

wanted to help specifically this was more of a

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woman’s business type of thing to help women not just to look beautiful because you know women can put on a pretty dress

42:15

you know and put on their makeup and you know they can most women I mean will they look beautiful okay

42:22

but to feel it on the inside totally different and I wanted to be

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part of that transformation information for women. And now I just took it another step. Now I want to see all

42:36

people, women, men, humanity. I’m not a I’m not a feminist. I’ll say it right out loud. I’m a humanist. I’m a

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humanist. And I believe in the power and potential of the human spirit. And I want to be

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part of helping people to free that and to be who they authentically are and to

42:56

love themselves in the process. And if if that if I can do that for

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people on a global scale, which is where I’m headed, then then I can die happy.

43:09

A that’s beautiful. But now if we go a step back,

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the first time you look at your chart from an evolutionary astrology

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perspective and you open your chart and then you were with Stephen or Ari or

43:26

Jeffrey, what was the planet or position or aspect that really blew your mind

43:31

that you were like, “Oh, I have this thing and you got you got excited and then one

43:38

that surprised you and you didn’t like too I think I really related well to the

43:45

Pluto Jupiter conjunction in my fifth house.

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That’s powerful. Yeah. In terms of my entrepreneurial work, I’ve been an entrepreneur since

43:56

I’m 21 years old. Wow. And I’m not near that now, but I’m not going to tell you how much.

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But but that that was that was like, oh my goodness. Wow. This is what I’m here for. What I didn’t like. so much was

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seeing how much Pluto it was integrated into my chart and especially that y to my moon

44:18

because it’s been very painful. There’s a lot of grief in a Pisces moon. A lot of release, a lot of re and it’s at the

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tail end of Pisces. So, I’ve been I’ve been dancing with Neptune for years. I know what it’s like to completely

44:34

disappear from your own life. I mean, literally, I would I would feel like there was a plexiglass, so you could see

44:41

through it, a plexiglass piece in front of me, and I was standing behind it. And

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I could be I could be in a room of people that I care about, you know, and

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I would still feel like like I don’t know, like I was in the movie Ghost or something.

45:00

It was weird. I would sometimes even see things out of the corner of my eyes, like energy movements. I mean, it’s been

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really weird. Wow. Yeah, it was trippy. But that’s what I

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would, you know, to answer your question, I guess those those were the two moments that you asked me to reflect on.

45:18

Yeah. Yeah. Oh my god. Wow. So, when when you when you feel out of alignment, you

45:25

know, because you know your chart, what do you do? How do you get back in line or back in, you know, back to

45:32

basics? Look, look at it. look at it and really breathe into it deeply. What is being

45:37

asked of me now? And you know, I’ll I will literally wake up in the night and

45:43

I will have a question and I will research that. Like I know what I’m

45:50

feeling. I’m like, “What are you feeling, Robin? What is this? What are you feel? What’s going on?” And I’ll look at my chart and go, “Oh, that’s

45:56

it.” And I’ll feel into it and say, “Okay, what’s being asked of me now? How can I help myself

46:04

by looking at the energies that are being asked of me? And I’ll tell you, I mean, I’m, you know, it sounds all

46:10

wonderful and it is. Um, and it’s a very courageous approach, you know, pat

46:18

myself for that one. But it’s it’s really it’s it’s very difficult to

46:27

maintain um the spiritual outlook of that. I mean there’s times when I just you know like

46:34

I almost feel like I need to apologize to God like I know that I am

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feeling some victimhood here right now and I’m sorry but I’m mad and I don’t

46:46

like this and it hurts and it’s not right. It’s not fair.

46:54

So, it’s it’s all normal. All part of the Oh, wow. And what would you say, Robin, is the

47:00

hardest part of being an evolutionary astrologer? The hardest part,

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if there is any maybe, I don’t know, you named it. You just said it. The hardest part of being an evolutionary

47:13

astrologer is being an evolution because you look at everything and you

47:21

say, “Okay, when is this going to end? This this pressure that I’m feeling to

47:27

like you see patterns the whole see for me I’ve been really working on a lot of patterns that I’ve had my whole life.

47:34

That’s part of the Piscian end of the end letting go which I I think collectively we all are.” Yeah.

47:42

And you know some of us are handling it better than others. Some of us are working with it. Some of us aren’t. Um

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some of us are suffering maybe more than others. Um but when you are able to you know you

47:55

say okay well when is this okay it’s really you you’ll look and you’ll say oh it’s really intense right now. You know

48:01

the conjunction you know you can refer to it as they’re kissing. They’re kissing. They’re close the conjunction,

48:06

you know, and then you see it’s starting to separate and separate and separate

48:12

and it’s easing and and and the integration’s happening and it’s separating and then it goes retrograde,

48:19

right?

48:25

Right. But you know, it’s not going to be the same as it was. Yeah, that’s true.

48:30

The process, but that’s the hardest part of being an evolutionary astrologer for me. Now maybe everybody doesn’t drive

48:35

themselves crazy, but I’m all OCD.

48:41

That’s really cool. So now if we look at the sky right now, we know there is like

48:47

a small triangle between Pluto, Uranus and and Neptune. And from the

48:53

evolutionary astrology perspective in which these three planets are a door to to the soul if you know putting it away.

49:00

Um what what would you say is our main task right now or as souls in this

49:07

planet? Um well I think the big the big one for me is and I’m kind of just going to peek

49:14

at the my chart a little bit so I can tune into a little bit better. Not mine personally but just what’s happening

49:20

and um it’s that it’s the um trine right now. the water trine, the grand trine in

49:27

water is happening right now with the new moon. And so that that to me is is

49:34

is a really big big deal right now. Um I mean individually there might be other

49:39

you know like for you for example. Yeah. Personally for everyone not everybody has you know um Pluto on

49:45

their sun or Pluto on their Jupiter right now. Right. Exactly. Know anybody like that?

49:53

But the this water this grand trine in water with it’s Jup it’s Saturn and I I

49:59

pull in Neptune because there’s still there is a four degree orb right now but sat and I’m I usually use very close

50:05

orbs especially on trines um with squares more forgiving

50:12

opposition’s a little more forgiving but for me trines because they kind of fall

50:17

in I think they need to be very tight but I pull in Neptune because Neptune is

50:22

the ruler Pisces and Saturn and Neptune have been dancing for a while, right?

50:27

So, we’ve got Saturn Neptune trying Jupiter and Cancer trying the sun in Scorpio right now.

50:35

Mhm. So there’s a lot of, you know, Jeffrey would say that um evolution occurs

50:43

through the emotional body and it’s like a flow going on right now,

50:50

you know, with those planets talking to each other, right? And um it’s a very emotional

50:57

heartopening um deeply transformative

51:03

um uh leaning into you know Jupiter and Cancer I don’t find particularly

51:09

comfortable myself. They say like like um general astrology will say it’s in

51:14

its exaltation because Jupiter is gonna expand the nurturing function but cancer

51:21

and Jupiter is a natural in conjunct right

51:27

yeah that’s true there’s a there’s a rub and that’s the other way you know that I look at charts

51:33

too a lot of times is like where where how they’re positioned is this like a a

51:38

flow is it a fire sign and a fire house, you know, is it, you know, a fire

51:43

planet? So, it’s like fire fire fire, you know, or, you know, is or is it a a

51:48

a natural square? What is the and then I’ll ask myself, well, what is the tension then? What’s the tension here?

51:55

Because that’s square. What’s the, you know, possib you know, crisis, you know, crisis and action and that’s the other

52:02

thing is to know the phases. C is it? So, that’s the other thing you want to always ask. Is it a crisis in action

52:08

first quarter? or is it an ending square crisis and

52:14

belief totally different and see that’s so I’m coming back to

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your question how is general astrology perhaps how is that different than EA general

52:27

astrology I think maybe some do of course I wouldn’t know but I think they

52:32

don’t recognize the phases when I was at this recent conference there was not no discussion of the

52:38

phases a Square is a square is a square. An opposition is an opposition. A conjunction is a conjunction. It’s not

52:44

true. It’s not true. If you, you know, one of my teachers,

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um, not Ari, but another great teacher, um, you know, she always taught that.

52:58

Um, I lost my train again. Happens a lot these days. You have to excuse me, my Neptune time.

53:04

No, no, don’t worry. It’s that you were talking about like cycles are important. Yeah, she okay thank you. She would

53:10

always say that the phase comes first and then the aspect.

53:16

So where a lot of astrologers would say oh you know Myra’s got a a conjunction

53:23

with uh Pluto and Jupiter right now but is it um what else is going on first of

53:30

all? What other aspects maybe is Jupiter making or um that might not be the best

53:36

example because Pluto moves so slowly but it you will feel it energetically is it new phase is it going into new

53:42

territory are you saying is it it or is it an ending phase where it’s

53:48

culminating what needs to be released surrendered or is it more of a moving on

53:53

phase okay now where do we go from here new phase Would

54:01

it matter for example that in that particular example you gave um if I was born in like Pluto and

54:09

Jupiter square opening square actually that’s the face of these two particular

54:15

planets. Okay. Right. So it’s an opening square and now

54:20

or closing square. I I don’t know too much about the cycles but do we need we need to look at the phase in our natal

54:27

chart and then see where they are today to actually give it like a meaning transits. Yes. If you’re looking at

54:34

transits yes you then you can I I focus too I look at the phase the phas phasal

54:40

relationship of those two planets. Is it a um like when you said an inconjunct

54:45

you mentioned earlier, you know, that’s that’s that’s a hard aspect. You know, they they don’t understand

54:52

each other. There’s two energy there, but they’re but they need to talk. They

54:57

need to integrate. They need to work it out. But there’s two different kinds. There’s

55:03

the gibbus, which is the Virgo phase. So they’ve got the analysis the analysis of

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paralysis. I’m not good enough. Um I don’t have what it takes. I’m not

55:17

perfect enough. You know that’s the kind of um energetic self-t talk that can go

55:25

on. Gibb is wants to do good. Gibb is wants to be of service. It want it’s it’s the humility you know

55:33

is being developed you know but it’s internal. It’s inside. It’s like those voices. Whereas

55:40

Exactly. You got it. But then the full phase, you’re going it’s going to be out into the world in your relationships.

55:46

It’s going to you’re going to see it through your relationships. It’s not going to be an internal process

55:51

necessarily of beating yourself up. You know, Virgos love to beat themselves up. That’s why I kind of made that joke

55:57

earlier. And it’s nothing against Virgos. Some of the nicest, kindest, most loving people in the whole world

56:02

are Virgos. So to your listeners, I don’t mean it. No, no, of course not. Also, I mean, we have a, you know, a

56:09

whole generation of of Pluto in Virgo and they are the best Saquon analysts. I

56:14

think I think probably right. So, yeah, that that’s there. Yeah.

56:21

So what for example um if we take the planet earth no humanity as a soul and

56:28

now with the Uranus tr Pluto for example and then this Neptune Saturn

56:35

conjunction and this sexile and trines what would you say is happening to to

56:42

humanity what will be the the calling the sole evolutionary calling for planet earth as an entity for example with with

56:50

all this changes and so you’re right when it’s so that that trine you could

56:56

say is still pretty close but it’s it’s weakening a little bit right now just because Uranus is going

57:02

backwards but it will come back to that place of one degree with Pluto again

57:08

again any of the outer planets and that you’d have to want to look at it in the individual charts if you kind of look at

57:14

everything that’s going on in the world right now I think we’re in a major um

57:19

major change. I I think that it’s kind of more like a spiritual war right now personally.

57:24

Yeah, that’s why I wanted to ask you because I mean if you look at humanity right now clearly there is something we

57:30

need to change or evolve or or something like that, right? But obviously everyone is going through

57:36

their own process personally because we all have a specific chart and a specific calling

57:42

like soul calling as you said. Robin, tell us where can we find you if we want if we want to work with you? Are you on

57:49

social media? Like where can we learn more about you and listen to you and you know connect with you?

57:55

Thank you. Yeah, the best place right now is my website. I’m going to be creating a YouTube channel, but that

58:01

will be announced on my website and um I’m going to be combining I’ve written a lot of articles and not from an

58:08

astrology point of view, but from just a human things that we assume are true that are not true. and I write about

58:14

them and cause so I help people to think about it. So right now my website is just uh robin jillianmy my name.com

58:21

that’s the best way to contact me right now and through there and you can email me and we can set up readings or if you

58:27

would just want to make a comment or just connect that’s great I’d love that. Um, as far as other social media, I’m

58:33

just really starting to work on. I think I’ve shied away from it. Um, and I’m realizing that, um, it’s very

58:40

important to get my work out there and, um, so I will be definitely leaning

58:46

more into that for sure. Oh, that’s beautiful. I can’t wait to see you. Is there any like articles or

58:53

books or anything you’ve written before that we can read right now? I I think you mentioned something before. Well, I

59:00

have not really about ast I mean my articles are on my website. Yeah. Yeah, they’re here. Okay, that’s one thing. Um, I did write

59:07

a book, but it’s a memoir. It’s a memoir. It talks about this whole time period that I went through when I

59:13

made all the changes. It’s an easy read. It’s a good book. Um, I’ve had many

59:19

compliments on it. So, you can always look at that and see maybe this a book you might enjoy understanding how the

59:25

transformation took place. I’m working on another book, but it’s that’s going to be a little far off in the distance.

59:31

Yeah. So, the social media is being developed, but right now the website’s the best place. The website. So, I will leave Robin’s

59:37

website in the comments or in the description below. And the the book, Can I Can I share the title with the

59:43

audience because I’m here? So, this very beautiful book. It’s called Hogging Trees in the Dark,

59:50

Finding the Courage to Free the Heart. That’s beautiful. I really love the title and the cover. So, also on her

59:56

website, you can you can find it and I’m sure it’s beautiful. You can also buy it

1:00:01

there or you can find it on Amazon for those who have an Amazon account. We’re going to going to leave this below

1:00:08

as well. One of the things that um might be of

1:00:13

interest is that um how this uh Pluto Jupiter played in my life because we’ve

1:00:20

been talking so much about Pluto. Yeah. and the creative self-actualization of the fifth house of

1:00:25

Pluto and Leo, the Leo generation and Jupiter conjunct in a new phase conjunction to that Pluto.

1:00:32

You’re Jupiter in Leo. You are. No, no, Jupiter’s in Virgo.

1:00:37

In Virgo, right? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Right. But but Pluto is in Leo, the fifth house.

1:00:43

So it’s I came in with a lot of already established kind of a creative wanting

1:00:49

to uh really express and bring a service

1:00:54

to life in a bigger way. And so I guess what I would say is I see I see myself

1:01:00

even with the YouTube channel I see myself really growing. I see myself really speaking because I’ve walked

1:01:07

through the fire. I haven’t just looked at the symbols. I’ve lived it. I’ve

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breathed it. I’ve collapsed under it and I’ve risen which is on my website. You’ll see my symbol.

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Yeah, I love I really love your website and the colors and and you know that red, you know, very scorpionic. So So

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guys, I’m going to leave there the website if you want to get to know more about Robin’s beautiful work and her her

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memoir as well. And Robin, it was such a pleasure to have you here with us and tell us a little bit more about

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evolutionary astrologer from a kind of like beginner’s way, which is my level.

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So, thank you so much for helping us understand more the language of evolutionary astrology.

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My pleasure. My pleasure. And thank you guys for for staying here with us. And don’t forget to visit her

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website or to like the video or to make a comment. If you have any questions for Robin as well, you can write them below.

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And again, thank you, Robin, and see you guys in the next episode. Thank you. I appreciate the opportunity.

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