Molly McCord: From Corporate & Politics to Top Astrologer | Backstage Interview

0:18Anyway, Molly, thank you so much for being here at Backstage Astrology. My name is Mayra and, as you can see guys, I’m very excited to have Molly McCord with us today to talk about her journey, her story, and the life behind the scenes. Molly, I’m delighted to have you. Please tell people who you are behind the scenes.

0:40Thank you so much for having me, Myra. I’m happy to be here because you’ve interviewed such amazing astrologers that I’m honored to be included in the conversation. And I’m excited to see where this goes today. So thank you.

0:53Thank you so much, Molly. Remind us where you’re located at the moment. Is it in the U.S.?

0:58Yeah, I’m in Florida in the U.S. I’m not originally from Florida. I’m originally from Seattle, but I’ve been in Florida for ten years now. So I’ve definitely adapted to the cultural differences of living in Florida. I’m originally from the Pacific Northwest.

1:18Molly, for those who may not know you, can you explain what kind of astrology you practice?

1:32I practice intuitive astrology. It was something I moved into during my ongoing studies of astrology and the readings I was doing for clients. Back when I was doing one-on-one readings, I would start with the typical chart analysis, looking at the main energies, planets, transits, and influences. But as I went through those readings, I realized that when I actually got out of my logical mind and allowed more of my intuition to open up, I received better guidance and better messages for them.

2:06That’s how I moved into this way of reading astrological transits and energies. It’s something I find wonderfully supportive for people. It can also be a little challenging at times because it’s meant to expand the individual. It’s meant to help them see something in a new way or in a new light. I offer these intuitive astrology energies in my podcast and in my other teaching. And I hope it also expands other people into trusting what they receive when they look at their own chart and transits. If your intuition is giving you something valuable, beneficial, or important, trust that. I think that’s part of our ascension at this time. So I incorporate spiritual understanding, consciousness, energetic choices, energetic intention, and all of that into the astrology I practice and offer.

3:11That’s amazing. I think you’ve helped thousands, if not more, through your podcast. When I discovered your work, it felt like such a gift, like nourishment for the soul. Your voice is so grounded and so sweet. But Molly, I have to start here because we share something unusual: you have a background in international relations and diplomacy, and so do I. That world is usually associated with geopolitics, strategy, and negotiations, not astrology. So I’m genuinely curious: what happened between that version of Molly and the woman who now has one of the most influential astrology platforms on YouTube?

3:58Well, it’s such an unpredictable journey, right? And of course I never expected it. But I was always drawn to politics, to gender studies, women’s studies, and understanding marginalized population roles.

4:16I think my Zoom crashed or something. I disconnected, right? I’m so sorry.

4:28That’s okay. I’ll start answering the question again.

4:40Thank you. I hope that makes it easier for you too. So yes, I thought I would go into something related to international relations, politics, or some form of influence at that level. That is my background. I studied political science, gender studies, women’s studies, marginalized populations, and then I was drawn into different kinds of work using those skills and that knowledge base.

5:09But the more I got into different opportunities and roles, the more I realized it wasn’t for me, because it is a very Saturn-structured environment, as government often is. I have strong Saturn in my chart, so I can do Saturn things, but it felt too limiting and too confining. It also didn’t allow me to honor my own entrepreneurial dreams and endeavors. So I was in certain roles because they were the job, but I was always looking for what was next.

5:49One thing I’ve always learned about astrology is that you cannot get ahead of your own transits. You cannot live beyond your own astrological transits. They unfold on a timeline and in a way that is meant to support you. There were parts of my professional life that I could not rush through. And part of that is because being an astrologer now is much more acceptable. It’s even desirable. There are people who want to be doing this work full-time, which is so exciting, because I believe astrologers need other astrologers.

6:20But there was a time when that wasn’t the case. It was tricky to figure out what this would look like as a business, how it would support me, how it would pay the bills, and how I would find the right people. I’ve been doing this for fifteen years. My platform started fifteen years ago and I’ve seen it change in incredible ways. But I had to start small, building up my confidence to give readings and apply the knowledge I had learned for decades. I was slowly making a shift from other professional paths into doing astrology full-time. It was very slow-moving and very unexpected, but now I can see the benefits of that pace.

7:41I wanted to ask you because intuition is something that, for many people, is very hard to develop. You are an intuitive astrologer. So when did you feel like this was the path you wanted to take? When did intuition become central to what you wanted to share? How did it happen, and maybe why?

8:10I feel like we are all intuitive. We all have gifts that are multi-sensory and go beyond the five senses. But at a young age, especially when we start school or traditional education, we focus on the mind: reading, writing, arithmetic, tests. We put all our energy into developing those skills, and our intuition and energetic intelligence fall behind. It’s like going to the gym and only working certain muscles while neglecting others.

8:53A lot of people I’ve interacted with have had that awakening of realizing it’s okay to trust their intuition, but it often happens later in life. It comes back online. It gets your attention. In my case, I would say my conscious development of intuition happened in my twenties when I had a very powerful reading with a woman, a psychic, who became a mentor for me for a number of years.

9:16She was an amazing guide who saw me like nobody else had. She validated parts of me that I wasn’t yet connected to. Her ability to see me, her intuition, and her psychic gifts expanded me into more of my own. That was a powerful catalyst because I was on a very traditional, corporate, achievement-focused path. I was always asking, what’s my next move, where is my career going? I was very focused, and it was wearing me out. I thought, I don’t even know if I love this. I don’t even know if I like this. But I want something more.

10:09Because of her gifts, I reconnected to my own intuitive gifts and continued to practice. And some things happened very quickly. I started getting messages rapidly. I could read situations in the office, people’s intentions, their energy. I could hear conversations I wasn’t part of. I was getting all these downloads. I think that can be true for many people. As soon as you give your free will and consent to open that door, you might be surprised at how rapidly those gifts blossom, because they never really left you. We leave them; they don’t leave us.

10:54Yes, totally. I’m a very rational person, but little by little I’ve been trying to develop that. Like you said, it’s like going to the gym. You need to exercise intuition. And funnily enough, the more I follow it, the more I confirm that it was right all along. You know when you don’t follow it and then later say, “I should have listened”? That has been my life until I realized I needed to trust this other thing. But of course you need to train it, listen to it, and ground yourself, especially now, with everything feeling upside down in the world.

11:39In fact, with Saturn and Neptune in Aries, it feels like a great opportunity to really begin following intuition at a whole new level. What do you think? You’ve talked about that conjunction, even with Pam Gregory, but do you think this is a good moment to switch on and begin exercising that intuitive feeling more consciously?

12:04Yes, because it’s such a powerful conjunction, Saturn and Neptune at 0 degrees of Aries. They come together every 36 years, so in that sense it isn’t extremely rare. But the fact that it’s happening at the very beginning of the zodiac is what makes it so special. It’s about new self-identities, understanding who you are now, something brand new, fresh out of the box, undiscovered, and still developing. It’s a birthing point. I feel that for people who have been on a healing path, doing inner work and transformation, it’s going to feel like they are brand new in this cycle. That includes intuitive work.

12:56All those things we’ve almost been wishing for can finally come online. In Pisces, we are transcending and dissolving parts of our lives, but there is also a hope there, a dream of what could be next. And then in Aries, it comes forward for you to claim it. So yes, I think many people are going to feel more supported in their desire to integrate intuition and live with that energy as part of everyday life.

13:33Going back to your story, you were in the middle of that corporate or diplomatic life and starting to listen to your intuition. What was the biggest challenge in that journey? Because you were still going to the office, feeling things, reading people, scanning people. Maybe you thought you were crazy. What was that experience like?

14:00I came up against a lot of people who wouldn’t hear me, wouldn’t understand, couldn’t hear the messages, or didn’t want to. So there was a lack of frequency match, as we would describe it now. There was also a feeling of not getting any fulfillment or reward from that world. I wanted more. I wanted something different. And astrologically, I was going through Pluto in Sagittarius crossing my ascendant. I was tracking that transit in my chart and knew, okay, this is going to be a life-changing rebirth. Who I am, what I do, and how I know myself are going to permanently change.

14:53That transit lasted almost two years, and that’s hard. Pluto pulls you into the underworld. You can’t escape it. You are meant to be in the depths of it all: the fears, the doubts, the extremes, the intensity, the emotions, the unknowns. And I actually used that time to get closer to my spirituality. I discovered more about channelers, people who connected to higher frequencies. I saw Lee Carroll in person, I think around 2007, and I followed others who were channeling very high-vibrational energies. I turned toward that. I turned toward my higher self and toward energies I resonated with strongly.

16:01It was a very quiet time. Not a lot was happening outwardly. In fact, those were the years I called my “black Sharpie years,” where I felt like crossing them off the calendar, because although everything was happening energetically and internally, it wasn’t exciting externally. But that was part of the transformation and the movement toward whatever came next. Again, it didn’t happen quickly. It happened slowly, and that was part of the times. Certain things just weren’t widely available yet. Even having your own website back then wasn’t very common.

17:03I love that you say you can’t rush a transit, because I’m personally going through Pluto right now and everything you just said lands deeply. For those of us with Taurus rising — in my case, Pluto is conjunct my Midheaven and then will touch other planets — your words are grounding. There’s no recipe. We just have to accept the unknown and trust, maybe. Thank you for that.

17:46And something else to note about Pluto in Aquarius right now is that because Pluto is going to be in Aquarius for twenty years, it’s moving more slowly. Slower than when it was in Capricorn or Sagittarius. It’s going to spend more time on each degree point, digging into our Aquarius energies and asking us to know ourselves at an individual and authentic level. I think that’s why these transits feel more intense: they are slower. So if that helps validate what you’re going through, that’s why. It’s a slower ride, a deeper dive, but you are doing deeper work that will absolutely pay off.

18:49Going back to your story, besides politics and international relations, you also had a long career in sales, marketing, and business development before becoming an astrologer. What part of that identity was hardest to release, and why?

19:12That’s a great question. The immediate answer is that it was easier to fulfill other people’s roles than to determine what role I wanted to choose for myself. I had spent so much time asking, how can I adapt my skills and background to what they need and what I can do for them? Then I had to turn that into, what does it mean to be an entrepreneur and do all of that for yourself? That means wearing many hats, including hats I didn’t even want to wear. For example, I didn’t want to be on camera for a very long time.

19:55I started my podcast in 2012 and I don’t think I did my first on-camera YouTube video until 2021. That was recent. It just wasn’t my thing. Partly because the way I structured my business was around the information, the teaching, the messages, and what I was offering. That was what was meant to lead. The value was meant to come from the content, not necessarily from me being on camera. So that was something I had to grow into. But a big part of the shift was understanding not only that I was choosing this role, but that I was responsible for it. There is a whole new level of responsibility when you choose your own role as an entrepreneur.

21:00And I think that in a way it led you exactly to where you are today, because it’s the perfect blend. International relations, diplomacy, then sales and marketing, and now this incredible ability to communicate astrology in clear, accessible terms. But while you were building your business — because I took your business courses — what were the biggest challenges you faced as a businesswoman in the astrology community?

21:42One of the biggest challenges was simply the amount of time it takes to create courses and material. It always takes longer than you think. So there’s managing timeline expectations, self-expectations, and understanding your own process. There’s also the uncertainty of not knowing whether something will sell, whether it will resonate, whether people will actually want it. I’ve done many things as one of the first people offering them, and you invest a lot without knowing the results. But I also enjoy that. I like trying something new and seeing where it goes.

22:36I’ve had failures in this line of work. One of my strongest platforms early on was as an author. I’ve written twelve books and I started releasing them while I was also doing astrology readings. But not everyone who read my books was into astrology. So I had two different demographics. People didn’t necessarily understand the connection between “I’m an author over here” and “I’m an astrologer over here.” It was interesting. At one point I even had two Facebook pages because some people only wanted the book content and others wanted the astrology.

23:18Eventually I had to reconcile it and say, this is what I offer. This is who I am. If people aren’t into astrology, that’s okay. If they aren’t meant to follow what I’m offering, that’s okay too. There have been many corrections along the way, and sometimes I struggled with those. Some choices felt hard at the time. But they kept me aware of what aligned with who I am and who I am becoming.

24:07I even remember you had two YouTube channels. One was more for business courses and the other for astrology. I loved both, but I understand the challenge behind that split. It takes time to absorb that you can be many things and wear many hats, and whoever resonates with one part or the other is still connecting with the same person. But in that journey, when you started telling people, “I’m an astrologer, I’m building an astrology business, I have a YouTube channel,” what were the reactions from family, friends, or the people around you?

25:05People who knew me knew that I had always been interested in astrology. They knew I had always talked about it, studied it, taken classes, had mentors. That had always been part of me. But there was also a big group of people in my life who were not on that same page, who didn’t get it, who weren’t supportive, and who couldn’t even accept it. So I had to choose myself. I had to choose, this is who I am, this is what I love, and this is what I’m about. And I knew that the people who resonated with that would meet me there.

25:43I think this is a huge theme for many people on a spiritual awakening journey. You realize there are people connected to the old version of you, people who are not evolving with you, who don’t share the same passions or interests because you are becoming a new version of yourself. So you wish them well, but you have to choose yourself. That’s authenticity. That’s living in your truth. That’s loving yourself and living with self-respect. And as I moved deeper into this work, some of the best relationships of my life showed up. I now have some of my best friends and strongest connections because they meet me in who I really am.

26:57It sounds beautiful when you say it, but honoring yourself and your authentic self is not easy. Hopefully with these current transits and changes, we’ll move there more smoothly. Molly, people always ask me to ask astrologers about their Big Three. If you want to share your Sun, Moon, Rising, or anything about your chart…

27:31No, I don’t want to talk about my chart because I’ve had too many people intrude on my energy and my life. It’s been abusive. So I have to have a strong guardrail around that. I can talk about general things, but I don’t want that information out there.

28:18No worries. I respect that. Earlier you mentioned some hard Pluto transits. Is there anything you’d like to share about those so that other people can draw lessons from them?

28:42Sure. I know Pluto very well. I’ve mentioned on my podcast that I had twenty years of Pluto transits. Pluto worked with almost every planet in my chart, all my personal planets, all my points, everything. So yes, Pluto and I are close. And the intensity of Pluto and its transits cannot be denied. When you’re undergoing a Pluto transformation, you are entering a deeper conversation with your soul’s wisdom, much of which has been unconscious. It is not pretty or feel-good. It asks, what part of me is ready to evolve because of this transit?

29:58I’ve had Pluto transits that squared my Sun, Venus, and Mercury, and opposed my Moon. Everyone has Pluto square Pluto at some point, often in the mid-to-late thirties or into the early forties. That can be a life-changing phase in which you must let something go in order to step into a new version of yourself. Those Pluto transits create permanent changes.

30:32They take time. They bring up parts of yourself you may not have realized were active. It’s the underworld, the shadow, the hidden aspects of self, the subconscious. That can be overwhelming. I would track my own Pluto transits and note when a month would be especially intense or especially emotional, and ask what was coming up that I was meant to face. For example, Pluto squaring my Venus brought up questions about money, debt, investments, and all the uncomfortable pressure around those areas.

31:31That is part of what makes Pluto so hard: there is no immediate relief. You sit in discomfort for an extended period of time. You have to learn how to regulate yourself, work with your nervous system, and face your fears. That led me to some beautiful astrology books on Pluto, and also to new energy practices. One of them was EFT tapping. I learned about it around 2010. Someone was guiding me over the phone and I had no visual reference, so I thought, this is bizarre. But I love bizarre, so I did it. And it helped move the emotions.

32:36That’s what Pluto does too. It leads you into new tools, new approaches, new energy practices that can be very helpful and that remind you you’re not alone. I also began paying attention to who in my life was showing up as Plutonic energy. Where were the power struggles? Where were the control dynamics? What was happening outside of me that was also activating something inside of me? It became an ongoing Pluto masterclass. I don’t fear Pluto anymore. I understand its wisdom. But I think it’s important to be realistic: Pluto is meant to change you permanently. The question is, how comfortable are you with uncertainty and the unknown?

33:34Even in the dark, when your eyes are closed, other senses come alive. Your third eye may start showing you images and visuals, and you may sense more than you usually do. So even in darkness, you still have the potential to evolve and see things in a whole new way.

34:03We all need to practice that more, especially those of us moving through Pluto square Pluto. But I want to ask you something that feels very behind-the-scenes: if we talk about Pluto as part of the reason it took you so long to appear on YouTube with your face, what changed? Why did it take so long?

34:35I think it was mainly a personal comfort level. I just wasn’t used to being on camera and that felt overwhelming. Although I should say that the first time I recorded videos was actually in 2014 for the business content on my other YouTube channel. That was very different because at that time I was married and my then-husband was helping me with all of it. We had a studio in the house, he helped with the lighting, he handled certain technical things, so I didn’t have as much to carry. And I was excited to talk about the business side and help people develop their own platforms.

35:21But when it came to showing up on YouTube for astrology, it felt more intimidating. I just didn’t feel ready to be seen. I wasn’t ready for that level of exposure yet. It felt vulnerable. So I had to build up to it and become comfortable with it. There’s also the challenge of being on camera and knowing what you’re going to say and how to communicate the message. Nowadays everyone is recording on their phones, but it still isn’t easy.

36:09What about you? How did you get comfortable being on camera?

36:17Oh my God. I don’t want to talk too much about myself, but basically I lost my last job during COVID because they told me I didn’t know how to communicate myself. So I thought, okay, maybe if I just read astrology books on YouTube or explain what I’m learning in classes, I can build confidence. I come from a communications background, so hearing that was very painful. It took a lot of practice. I’m still not an expert, especially because I used to do astrology in Spanish and now I’m interviewing in English. But if you don’t start somewhere, you won’t get anywhere.

37:14And when I listened to your old videos where you were showing the chart with a pen, I imagined you with your eyes closed, channeling, pointing at things. I always wondered what you were doing. Did you actually close your eyes? What was the ritual before recording your voice over those charts back then?

37:36Yes, sometimes I did close my eyes, and then I’d have to check what I was actually pointing at. Sometimes I was looking off in the distance. I still do that with my podcast, which is why I don’t do a video podcast. It wouldn’t be visually interesting because I’d just be staring into space or off to the side. When I do the chart videos, I’m aware of what I’m pointing at, but I’m also looking at inner visuals, listening, or receiving something. I’m in a very receptive state, while also staying aware that I’m on camera and that the audience needs something coherent and useful from what I’m saying.

38:39That’s really cool to know. Now, when you speak about global energies and all the things you share with thousands of people listening, do you ever feel the weight of that responsibility?

39:00What a good question. I used to feel it more, but now I try to think of it as speaking to one person or just a few people. That helps reduce the weight. I also trust that people who seek out this kind of information are selective about what they listen to, and I hope they get something from each podcast or video that resonates for them. But part of my role, and something I’ve learned to really own, is staying detached from what others need or expect.

39:54That means keeping the energy open to the possibility that what I’m sharing may not be right for them, and that’s okay. It’s not about my ego needing to be right or being overly invested in people’s responses. It’s about being a clear messenger for whatever is coming through, laying it on the table, and allowing people to determine for themselves: yes, this is for me, or no, it isn’t. That level of detachment is very important.

40:25In fact, one of the main messages I received when I started my whole platform was from my guides. They kept telling me, “Be detached from your audience.” Don’t attach to them. People have spent many years wanting their audience to stay with them, to buy the book, to keep coming back. My guidance was the opposite: keep the energy open, knowing people will come in and people will move on. They will resonate and then maybe not resonate. Let them take what they need and leave the rest.

41:15So when I do a podcast or share something, I see it as my responsibility to remain in that state of being a clear receiver or channel, trusting what is coming through and allowing it to go where it needs to go. Sometimes part of me really wants it to be exactly what people want or to be really good. Honestly, I’ve done podcasts where I thought, that was horrible, I don’t think I said anything useful. But my guidance is just to keep releasing it, to keep putting it out there, and to stay detached even from my own inner opinion so that it can benefit whoever needs it.

42:09So I don’t think about the crowds, because I can’t. But I will tell you I’m always grateful. And this is where I get emotional, because I’m also incredibly humble about it. I still get surprised when someone says, “That helped me.” And I think, really? I’m so happy to hear that. I never assume it.

42:45That’s beautiful. And I think it’s such good advice for anyone starting in astrology, especially on social media or in their own practice: to prioritize yourself, and maybe even detach from your audience or your clients, because we can only go so far as the person behind the service or information. Thank you for that. And since you’ve built a huge audience, a podcast, books, and courses, looking back, what were the three smartest business decisions you made early on?

43:33I would say one of them was creating online courses that people could access on their own and return to at their own pace. That was important. I started doing that back in 2017, and the landscape was different then. I was one of the early people putting astrology courses out there that others could sign up for and learn from anytime. It’s good to have evergreen material. You make it once and it continues to serve and sell.

44:20The second smart decision was prioritizing personal connections. There was a period when my son was young and I was a full-time stay-at-home mom. I only worked when he napped, and he had a three-hour nap every day, which was such a gift. During those three hours I could do podcasts and astrology sessions. I made time for one-on-one connections because I loved connecting with people personally. Sometimes, because of the global audience, I’d even be doing sessions at six or seven in the morning before my then-husband went to work.

45:13I still think personal rapport matters in business. We can look at numbers and metrics and scale, but one-on-one human connection is still important. And the third smart decision was doing events and in-person experiences that bring people together. I’ve found those incredibly fulfilling. People meet one another through a shared passion, make new friends, and find their people. I’ve done retreats, cruises, and in-person gatherings, and I want to keep doing them because I think they matter deeply.

46:49Those are great. I love retreats and gatherings too. Technology is amazing, but there’s nothing like being in the room with people, sharing ideas and experiences. I’m really looking forward to more astrologer retreats.

47:07Yes, and even just single-day gatherings. I’m doing seven this year in different cities in the U.S. They’re day experiences with two workshops, meant to bring people together while doing meaningful astrology work. I think that’s really important and I want to keep doing it.

47:35You mentor many healers and spiritual teachers. What’s the biggest mistake you see people make when they try to turn their spiritual gifts into a business?

47:51I don’t know if I’d call it a mistake, but one of the biggest issues is a misconception about the timeline. People expect that if they do everything now, they should be making a livable wage in three months or six months. Yes, that can happen, depending on your starting line and whether people are already interested in what you do. But for most people, I tell them: give this business three years. It’s probably going to take about three years to establish a steady, reliable income.

48:35Of course, it depends on your circumstances: whether you’re single or married, whether you have financial support, whether you have children, how much free time you have while working a nine-to-five job. Everyone’s life variables are different. But in general, people need to give themselves that kind of time because there is so much they will learn, change, and refine. Many people start with one-on-one sessions and eventually get tired, which is very common. Then they begin asking, what else can I offer, and how else can I make money?

49:45Now with AI, some things can move faster. There are more technologies available to support growth. But in this line of work, you are building relationships. It’s built on trust, and trust takes time. Relationships take time. So even if certain tools can speed up some things, developing solid trust and showing that people can rely on you still takes longer than most expect.

50:26And we also keep evolving, right? Our businesses evolve as we evolve. Sometimes you have to pivot, turn things upside down, or realize that you don’t want to keep doing readings or that a project no longer feels right. That doesn’t mean failure. It’s part of the process. There is so much information now that I think the one thing we really have left is trust. So authenticity matters more than ever.

51:37Now that you run this platform with thousands of followers, what does the business structure behind the scenes actually look like? How do you sustain that level of output?

51:50That’s something I’ve learned to juggle over the years. I started doing one podcast a week back in 2012, and then I was able to add a second and a third because I streamlined my process. But that took time. I have things mapped out on a calendar, I use automation, and I think that’s essential these days. You need systems that don’t require constant manual attention: email systems, automatic course access, things people can use globally at any hour. Automation is really important, especially if you want to scale, because you can only do so much in a day.

52:44I have over twenty courses now that I’ve created since 2017. Some are available only during certain windows, and others are ongoing. I’ve really streamlined my process. I also allow myself to trust the energies and trust my inconsistency. One thing I do behind the scenes is that I never create a waitlist or a pre-launch with a fixed release date, because I know that may change. I have one course I started in 2024 that I’m hoping to finish in 2026. I know myself. I know my energy. So I work with my strengths and honor how my energy actually flows.

53:38I have assistants. Someone helps with my YouTube channel now. I have someone who helps with business development and events. I’ve had different admins through the years, and different people in charge of social media. It’s been an ongoing process of figuring out what is needed right now and allowing people to do what they do best so I can do what I do best.

54:31What I really admire is the consistency. There are astrologers like you who put something out every Monday, every Wednesday. That requires a huge amount of energy and commitment. So walk us through your secret recipe. How do you handle that much content, plus events, emails, classes, readings, and courses?

54:57I just love it. I have a lot of planets in the third house, which is communication, talking, typing, travel, movement. I love being in motion. I’m very inquisitive and very curious. I see things and immediately want to incorporate them into what I’m teaching or talking about. That is stimulating and interesting to me. I always feel like there is energy supporting what I do. And I think that’s essential for anyone in their professional work: look at the strengths in your chart and work with those on a daily basis.

55:34We live in a world where most of us are working in some form every day. So you want to play to your strengths. Where is your Sun? Where is your Moon? Where is your Mercury? Where is your Mars? Working with who you are is what makes your work sustainable. For me, the schedule itself is supportive. It gives me a structure I can rely on, and it doesn’t feel like work. In fact, one of the funniest things in the beginning was when people said, “I appreciate your work,” and I thought, I’m not working. I had a different definition of work. This felt like joyful expression, not labor.

56:55I can relate to that too, though I think for me the hard part is often the commitment or just showing up. But we’re all different. Thank you for showing up for so many years with your Monday and Wednesday podcast. And Molly, I also wanted to ask: what is something about being an astrologer that nobody talks about, but everyone eventually experiences?

57:37You are going to be really wrong about some things. When I was doing personal readings, I would look at someone’s chart beforehand and develop an idea of who they were or what they were about based solely on the chart. But once I was actually in conversation with them, I saw how off I could be, because I did not know the person or the soul. If you’re only focused on the chart, you’re going to miss the human being.

58:33We can’t assume too much based on a chart alone. We have to know the person as a living being. Then the chart comes alive. If someone has the Sun in the ninth house, you might assume things about religion, spirituality, or formative belief systems, and maybe something is there, but you won’t know exactly how it lived in their life until you talk to them. It’s easy for astrologers to think they know someone from the chart, but that can be a trap.

59:29I once had a reading with an astrologer who has since passed, and he never let me speak. He just read my chart and told me about myself. It was his monologue. And when I would say, actually, that’s not how I experienced it, he would continue as though he knew more than I did. That’s when it became clear to me that the chart becomes alive through the person, not through the astrologer’s ego. You need to know the person first.

1:00:26That’s so interesting. I know some astrologers do recorded sessions without live interaction, and I’ve always been curious about that experience. Some of it may absolutely be right, of course.

1:00:57And yes, some of it can be specific and helpful. Everyone has their own techniques. But I feel that as astrologers, we have to remain humble. This is not about proving that I can read your chart correctly. It’s about how I can be of service to you, so you understand yourself and receive insights that help you. That, to me, is one of the beautiful gifts of astrology. My main intention with everything I offer is that it leads you back to you and supports your growth and your soul’s journey in this lifetime.

1:02:01Did you ever have a moment of “I can’t do this anymore”? Like, forget astrology, I’m done?

1:02:11No. Never. I’ve had bad days. I’ve had hard one-on-one sessions. But I’ve never felt like I wanted to quit or walk away from astrology. It feels more than ever like my calling. I’m sure you’ve heard that many astrologers feel astrology chose them; they didn’t choose astrology. That’s how I feel. This is who I am. It gives me life. I want it to give life to other people too. I want it to be something they can turn to and trust.

1:02:56You can always discover more in your chart. Astrology is a never-ending experience of self-knowledge. I love that. I love that it’s different every day and that there is always something new to consider. It feels like the one thing I would always keep returning to. I’m deeply grateful because I feel this is what I’m here to do and offer.

1:03:47Before we go, I want to ask about your memoir, where you talk about the trapeze moment, letting go of one bar before grabbing the next. What did that actually feel like in real life? Was it exhilarating or terrifying?

1:04:24Both. And that’s part of the excitement of being alive: having both feelings at once. I’ve done that throughout my life. I’ve let one thing go before the next fully appears. That is the experience of weightlessness. That is flight. It’s also a moment of new potentials and new creation. Yes, that was my memoir, The Art of Trapeze. It was about moving to Paris, even though I had never been there before. I just went for it. I had amazing adventures and met wonderful people. It was one of the highlights of my life.

1:05:13And then that period also included Pluto transiting my ascendant, and that was part of the crash down, the return to Earth, and the question of what to do next. There is a lot of astrology in that book, and I think it helps explain some of those transits too. It was a wonderful book to write and to offer.

1:05:42I love when astrologers write memoirs because you are showing us how you experience your own astrology. There’s no better lesson than that. I really want to read it. And I would love to have you back to talk specifically about writing that book, because it doesn’t have a conventional happily-ever-after ending, and that makes me even more curious. Did writing it help you understand yourself and the Plutonian process more? Would you recommend writing one’s own story?

1:06:41Yes. Absolutely. The power of putting your experience into your own narrative and your own story can be very cleansing and healing. And when you revisit certain experiences while writing, new things come up. You see those moments in a deeper way. Writing that book was like that for me. And yes, it does have a happy ending, but not the one you think. It’s about transformation as we move through life and about living each chapter as fully as possible as it presents itself.

1:07:20Depending on your astrology chart, maybe you have a life with lots of changes, lots of renewal, lots of movement. Other people don’t. They may stay in the same place, with the same job, most of their lives. My life has always been about the next thing, renewal, and change. And because of that, I hope the book offers an understanding of how we are meant to keep evolving, how our experiences shape us, help us know our values, and help us make the most of this life. It can unfold in many different ways.

1:08:19I feel there are also bigger, overarching messages at the end of that book — almost channeled messages about the bigger picture.

1:08:30I’ll leave all the links below, because the book is called The Art of Trapeze: One Woman’s Journey of Soaring, Surrendering, and Awakening. It’s just one of many books you have. And I also want to ask, why trapeze? And with everything happening in the sky, especially those bold risks we may be asked to take, do you think reading your book could help us navigate that trapeze?

1:09:17Sure. Because trapeze, as it is explained in the book, is a metaphor for trying something new, taking a risk, making a leap of faith, and then discovering what that looks and feels like in real life. It’s also about meeting yourself in new environments and new experiences. The book is meant to bring the thrill and the reality of that story to life. If we want to make the most of this lifetime, we will have to take risks, do something new, develop new skills, and go places we have never gone before. Trapeze is a great way to describe that.

1:10:15What a useful book for these times. And this is not your only book. Which one is the most recent?

1:10:22I have two astrology books that are currently out. One is Awakening Astrology, which focuses on the five personal planets — Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, and Mars — and explores deeper layers of each one. The other is Soul Growth Astrology, which focuses on what each sign is learning and developing in this lifetime. So if you are a Cancer, for example, it would go into the areas Cancer is meant to strengthen and evolve. It includes writing prompts, client stories, and new ways of understanding those traits. It’s meant to be a book where you can look at your big three or your chart and see your energies in a new way.

1:11:22And you also have some writing classes, right? I remember something related to writing from your business channel.

1:11:29One of my editors offers a writing class that is always so good. Her name is Hillary T. Smith and she offers those through my publisher, Hierophant Publishing. So yes, if someone wants to turn their story into a memoir or spiritual growth book for others, Hillary guides people through that process. People have loved her classes. She’s fantastic.

1:12:00Molly, thank you so much for being here, for opening up, and for sharing more of your personal journey and story. Before we go, is there anything you want to say to people as a final message?

1:12:14Thank you for having me. I’ve enjoyed this so much, and I’m glad we could have this connection because I love what you’re doing — speaking with astrologers and hearing more about who they are. I’m honored to be included. But I want people to feel empowered by their chart and their astrological energies. You’re always going to read about difficult transits and hard aspects, but you can also find the gold in them and feel that it’s all happening for a reason. So I guess my final message would be that I hope you fall in love with yourself, your chart, and what you are here to develop in this lifetime.

1:12:58That’s beautiful. Thank you so much, Molly. And thank you to everyone for staying here and supporting the podcast. It’s been such a dream to have you here and share this space with you. See you in the next episode.

1:13:14Thank you.