The Real Story Behind Astrology Hub with Amanda Walsh | Backstage Astrology Interview

Today on Backstage Astrology, we go behind the scenes with a woman who has redefined what it means to bring

astrology into the world. She’s not an astrologer, but she’s interviewed more

of them than almost anyone alive. Amanda Walsh is the visionary behind Astrology

Hub. Home to the world’s longestr running astrology membership, the inner

circle and the astrology hub podcast with over 12 million downloads and a

YouTube channel reaching hundreds of thousands worldwide. She’s built one of

the largest libraries of astrology teachings online, given a platform to hundreds of astrologers, and brought

astrology into homes across the globe, including mine here in the Middle East.

And now, Amanda is releasing her deeply personal new book, Life by the Stars. A

story about trusting your inner knowing, leaping when the world tells you to play it safe, and becoming the person your

soul has been waiting for. It’s an invitation into the real raw and beautiful process of transformation.

A dance with the universe in which each of us is the main character of our own

unfolding story. This book is a luminous reminder that you are here for purpose

chosen to offer something only you can bring and that every single day you have

the power to align your thoughts, your energy, and your outer expression with your highest truth. If you’d like to

follow her journey behind the scenes, join her intimate reader circle at life by the stars.com.

Today on Backstage Astrology, we step behind the platform to meet not just the podcast host, but the author, the

mother, the friend, the sister, the entrepreneur, and the heart behind one

of the most inspiring astrology communities in the world. I hope you enjoyed this episode with

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Hi and welcome back to another episode of Backstage Astrology. And today I’m thrilled to have with me Amanda Walsh

from Astrology Hub. Amanda, is such a pleasure. How are you today? Oh, I’m so great. Thank you for inviting

me to the show. This is fun. I’m just I’m grateful that you’re doing this because it’s really it’s really great

work to be kind of going behind the scenes on the different astrologers and the whole field and I just think it’s

really cool what you’re doing. So, thank you. No, thank you for being here. I mean, knowing what you do with Astrology

Hub, I’m sure you have a full agenda. So, for me, you know, it’s such a pleasure to have you here. And I’m sure for our viewers, also a pleasure to get

to know a little bit more of Amanda behind the scenes, how her life looks like and all the story behind the

Astrology Hub. Guys, if you don’t know astrology hub, this is one of the biggest astrological platforms and

communities online. And Amanda, can you actually explain people in a few words? Maybe some people don’t know you here.

What is astrology hub? I mean the simplest way that I explain

it when people ask me that question like in the school parking lot if a parent asked me what I do you know. Um I used

to have an answer that people would kind of look at me like what I I don’t understand. So now the simplest way I say it is it’s an online astrology

school essentially but I know there’s so much more. You know, the the podcast is

normally the way that people get introduced to astrology hub. So, we’ve been running an astrology podcast since

2017, and I interview different astrologers, and we talk all things astrology,

including technique and tools and approaches, but then also the current astrological weather, what’s happening

astrologically, and how can we work with it most effectively in our lives. And then those same a lot of the same

teachers that we feature on the podcast also teach with us either as a part of

our inner circle membership where we have a different astrologer who guides each month and they teach mastery

classes, they do forecasts and then also um we have like one-off courses like Rick Lavine who you had on your show.

He’s teaching he’s taught an entire astrology foundation suite with us level

one through three and so just it’s really I’ve always thought of astrology hab as a bridge to people who are

astrologically curious who want to learn the language they’re not necessarily astrologers some of them are but most of

them are not they’re hobbyists they’re they’re astrology lovers who want to

learn from the best in the field and so thankfully that’s that’s who we’ve

gotten to work with over the years and that’s what we’ve been able to build. That’s amazing. And I have to tell the

story guys because it was very fatal. I was telling Amanda before back in 2020 I

think I was looking for like an astrological course but organized you know because I took classes here and

there and like I was all over the place and I’m like okay I need to find a course that you know takes me like stage

by stage. I have a Capricorn MC maybe I don’t know but like you know like structured and I went into these

Facebook groups and I see oh a course you know like all the how do you call it

the syllabus and I went to see and oh Rick Lavine I did know about Rick Levine

before because of Gaia I think they featured him at some point and I like oh this guy I’ve seen him he looks good you

know and I went and I asked him or his team I don’t know hey when is this starting and then I realized it already

like started and the girl or Rick, I don’t know who replied to me, they said, “Oh, you can actually still enroll. We

just started yesterday.” And I go online and I saw astrology hub and I’m like, “Okay.” And you know, this was my first

like organized astrology course, foundations one with Rick Lavine. Oh my

god. And I have to say really, every day, I think somebody already mentioned it, but I felt the same. every day there

was like or every week there was like a class dropping and I felt like you know like Santa Claus and Christmas like oh

my god like there is a new class and it was so good and well organized and the

community and the comments and okay I can talk for hours but I’m really really really grateful

that I Yes, that’s so great. I’m so glad you had such a good experience and that it

was you know you got your foundations and you met Rick and and felt welcomed by the community. Yeah, it was amazing.

And then I took the other one and the other one and so on. And then I, you know, I got hooked with astrology hub.

And Amanda, can you actually tell us um more about you? Like who or how would

you like people to know you behind Amanda, the you know, the captain of the

tribe, let’s say, of this huge community. How would you like people to know you? Really? Wow. You know, it’s so funny. I was

thinking about this because I I’m a 12th house son. I 12th house sun and Venus in

Capricorn at the very last degrees of the 12th house 28 and 29. And so I am

actually much more comfortable in the role you’re playing right now. Like I love to ask people questions and I love

to like, you know, learn about them. And so I’ve really never thought about like

how I want others to think about me aside from being the the founder of

AstrologyHub. Uh, but you know, I’m a mother. I have two daughters, six, uh,

16. She’s a Libra. She’s going to be 17 soon. And just turned 14. She’s a Virgo.

And, um, I love dancing. I love hoola. I love uh, I have a a beautiful man in my

life that I just adore. Um, we have four dogs between us, which is

it’s kind of like the Brady Bunch of dogs, you know? It’s like two at my house, two at his house, we swap them,

you know. Um, and I just I love learning. I love growing. I love I love

the mysteries. I love what we can’t see. I love the influences that the unseen

realm has on our lives here. And I love the idea of being that that point

between heaven and earth. And how do we actually bring the celestial qualities,

the the heavenly realms into this body, into this world by by our presence, by

the work that we do, by by our actions, you know, it’s it’s that’s all fascinating to me. And that’s why

starting AstrologyHub was one of the most amazing things. was like, “Oh my god, I just get to have this conversation all day every day,” you

know, and especially coming from the world that I was in where the conversations weren’t quite as lofty,

you know, on a daily basis to to really reinvent my life and my

world and structure it so that I can be in this kind of conversation all the

time. It has been a total dream come true. So just sharing these these things

with with people is such a delight for me. It just anytime I see someone like

you, you know, you’re going through that class and then oh my gosh, there’s there’s these people and there’s this teacher and there’s these topics just

that the light bulbs going off and the expansion that happens for people. It just it brings me so much joy whether

it’s through astrology hub or through a conversation with my teenagers or you know in in in an insight that I have

myself like these are the things that are really juicy and alive for me. It just it brings me so much joy whether

it’s through astrology hub or through a conversation with my teenagers or you know in in in an insight that I have

myself like these are the things that are really juicy and alive for me. So I don’t know if that answers your

question but um yeah

Well it pretty knows tells tells much about your personality and who you

are so I think you know we got an answer but I mean if you look back because I know astrology hub it’s been around for

10 years now. You recently celebrated your 10 years now. So looking back 15

years and realizing where you were and where you are now, how do you feel about

it? Because I mean you were in a very different situation from what I’ve heard from previous interviews.

Well, so that would be 2012. 2012 was a pivotal year, although I

didn’t know it at the time. So that was essentially the first year that we spent

in Hawaii after like kind of blowing up my corporate life and my kind of comfy

reality, my comfort zone in New York City and moving to the big island of

Hawaii. 2012 was the year that I got invited

again. I was like Alice in Wonderland. I I didn’t I was I was at the very beginning of my spiritual awakening. I

was reading really amazing books by like Dr. Joe Despensza and Wayne Dyer and

Deepo Chopra and you know Louise Haye and so a lot of these ideas were

conceptual to me, fascinating to me and I was very much in a phase of like but

is it really true you know and can you actually live your life this way? And you know what what

what is the reality of these spiritual ideas in practice? You know, so we had

moved to the big island. I was in the I was in the uh grocery store one day

and there was this woman probably in her 60s like a a pixie haircut like you know

cut cropped close to her head but with one of those faces that can pull it off. like she just a she looked like a little

fairy. And so she I don’t know why I don’t even know how the conversation started, but

she like looked at me. I had Sophia at the time in a in a Bjorn, you know, at

my chest. And she goes, “I am running these

full moon labyrinth walks on my property, and I’m looking for 13 women

to do this every full moon of 2012.” what would you like to come? And I was like,

okay, I don’t know what that means, but that sounds kind of cool and intriguing. And

and and it was like one of those, you know, one of those instinctual yeses. And so I said, “Yes.” And then she goes,

“And and and Jason, my husband at the time, was there.” And she goes, “And bring your husband. we need 13 men to

stand sentinel while we walk in the labyrinth. And I was like, “Okay.”

So, you know, she walks away. She like floats away. It felt like she was floating away. And um you know, she wrote her address down on a piece of

paper and floats away. And then I then of course all the doubts come in. I’m

like, “Wait, what did I just sign us up for? Is this like some weird cult? Like what the heck are we doing?” Anyways, we

end up going and uh she explains to us that the idea of what we’re doing

because it was such a pivotal 2012 Mayan calendar year that we were going to walk with

specific qualities in the labyrinth. qualities that we want to seed on the

planet and that we would walk in the labyrinth with these like holding these qualities.

When we got to the middle, we were instructed to spin seven times

clockwise and send the qualities and like imagine that we’re literally sending the qualities out into the

world. Wow, that’s powerful enough. I know. But I didn’t, you know, and this going it’s her like this is crazy. I’m

literally fresh off the boat from Manhattan, just like, okay, not in New

York City anymore. And so anyways, this is what we did. So for all 12, it was 13 all 13 full moons

of 2012, I walked in this labyrinth with these women with the men standing

sentinel. It was right on the ocean. The there were tiki torches like the men would stand underneath the tiki torch.

It was like it was just totally magical. And um so we would walk with things like um

peace, hope, uh love, creativity,

beauty, you know, all the things, harmony. Wow. And what I noticed when I walked in this labyrinth is that the walk in like Okay,

so the first time I walked, I held I I held uh peace. That was what I was like, okay, can’t go wrong with peace. Like

who who doesn’t want peace, right? So, I’m walking in the labyrinth and what I noticed is that the woman in front of me

was walking really slow. The the woman, three women ahead of me was like twirling and dancing and I was in so

much judgment and you know what a showboat she’s showing off. What is she doing? Like why

is she you know and why is this woman walking so slow and oh my gosh I’m hungry and my feet hurt and can we hurry

up already? Okay, these are like the self-t talk. Okay. So, I’m walking with this and then

I go and then it’s like this flash of like that that is the reason why we don’t have

peace on the planet. What you’re experiencing internally

is the reason why this is so hard for humans. judgment, lack of presence, lack

of appreciating and enjoying exactly who we are, where we are, what we’re doing.

You of course like, you know, kind of being harsh to to other people and and

assuming that I know why they’re doing what they’re doing, right? All these things are the reason why we don’t have

peace. And so it was like, oh wow, what what Okay. So then you get to the

middle, hold the piece, walk out, and it’s an entirely different experience.

The women are beautiful. The the like I I’m enjoying this the feeling of the

grass on my feet. I’m noticing the little ladybug like just moving along on its way, you know? And so this is what

happened every month. Every month I would bring a quality in. Wow. I would get this experience of

where all the blocks are to that quality both within myself and and in the world.

You know, we’re all there’s really not that much difference between us, right? And and then I would get to have the

experience of what it feels like to actually be in that quality on the walk out. And so that’s what I was doing in

2012 to answer your question. So, wow. I was in the in the beginning of my like

ast my my astrology wasn’t even in the realm of my awareness yet. I mean that actually

2012 was also when I had my first astrology reading. So, I’m doing this full moon work, but I

don’t even know like the the meaning of the full moon or the rhythm of the lunar cycle. None of that means anything to me

yet. And I’m really just ex having these experiences, having the first reading.

Again, I’m like Alice in Wonderland just going, “What is going on here?” And I’m so curious about all of this. And I have

no idea what any of it means. But it’s fascinating. And I feel pulled like just

deep in my soul. I feel pulled like I am in the right place. I need to be learning about these things.

That’s to answer your question. What was happening? Wow. Oh my god. Yeah. because in other um interviews I’ve heard that then you

had your astrology reading and then obviously you got curious and then you mentioned I think in one of the shows or

or even in the interview with with Don also that you got this domain the astrologyhub.com

and then can you tell us briefly what happened like how this domain came to you? Well, so this was years later. So

this didn’t this was not like a backto-back thing. So 2012 I’m doing all this. 2012 I have this astrology

reading. 2013 through 2015 my entire life falls apart.

So this is where I end up. So I’m you know it doesn’t have to happen this way. But

but when we have built a life based upon

ideas of ourselves and the world that are out of alignment who with who we

really are deep down. And if who we really are deep down is what we’re

actually longing for, then the things that are out of

alignment with that are going to have to either totally transform

or go away. And so in my case, it was go away. And

so I found myself in 2013, 2014, 2015

navigating divorce. Also a very like, you know, it doesn’t

matter. A fall apart of my marriage to my college sweetheart that I thought I would be married to forever. We have two

small children. We’re on this island in the middle of the ocean. I don’t know very mean. You

know, after we after we were on the big island for two years and doing the labyrinth walks and things like that, we moved to Maui. So, and then right when

we moved to Maui is when everything fell apart like big time. I’m totally almost

bankrupt financially. Just lose the entire like savings and fortune that I

had created in New York. All of that gone and then some. So, just really at

the bottom. I It’s rock bottom. It was my rock bottom moment and it was years of that. So it sounds like when I fast

forward the story it sounds like you know I got my first reading and then oh yay I start astrology hub. It was like no no no no no no

years of just deep soul gutwrenching

you know experiences. 2015 I had met a family. We were we were

going to the beach every Sunday. And when I first met this man, I had

this flash of like, I’m going to work with him someday. But it was like one of those that just like came in and out, you know? I was

like, I’m going to work with him someday. And then just gone. Anyways, he invited me

to he’s like, you’ve done some online online work before, right? And I had been doing a little bit of a side hustle

thing in New York for fun before we moved. I was like, yeah, you know, just some dabbled here and there. and he

goes, “Well, I um I have an opportunity at a company called SpiritBridge.

Would you like to just, you know, we need a managing editor? We’re creating like an online magazine kind of thing.” I was like, “Okay, I’ve never done

anything like that, but that sounds awesome.” And at the point, I was totally broke and had no no options for

a job, you I was I I even you know growing up I always thought because I waited tables like through college and

stuff it was always like oh I’ll just wait table like if I ever need to it was my fallback plan I’ll just go back to

waiting tables like but on Maui that’s a highly competitive job

I mean because you can make it’s a tourist town you can make really great income waiting tables and so I couldn’t

get a job waiting tables I I didn’t have any recent experience like I didn’t have the kind of experience they wanted so I

I was like oh my god even my fallback back plan is not working out. So, I’m in I’m in a desperate mode, you know. So,

he offers me this job. It It’s not even close to pay the bills and it’s

part-time, but I’m like, “Okay, this is this is a this is a a step in the right direction.” Okay. So, we do it. It’s

shortterm. I loved it. It’s over. The the company, you know, ends the contract.

Then, I’m at dinner at his house with his wife, who I’m really dear friends with to this day. and we’re talking

about astrology because that was what we talked about. You know, we’re just like having cheese and crackers and talking

astrology. And he’s on the couch and he looks up at one point and he goes, “You

know, I I bought a domain name years ago, astrology hub, because I just I saw

that there might be an opportunity in the astrology field at some point. I’ve just been waiting for the right person

to do something with it.” And literally the words come out of his mouth and my hand is like like I’m like

I’ll do it. Like whatever it is, I will do it, you know. And um because I wanted to find that

thing that like I was passionate about that helped people that that might use my gifts and talents like that, you

know, and I’ve always been a builder, you know. I’ve from the time I was a little girl like I was starting little businesses and you know, so I just I

knew it just it was like it was the same thing. It was like I’ll do it. said, “I don’t know what it is, but I I know I need to do it.” So, that’s how it

started. So, it was it was a domain name. Like, we didn’t even know what the concept was,

just astrologyhub. Oh,.com. Okay. What does that mean? And what are we going to do with it?

So, that’s that’s Wow. Wow. I have so many questions. So, when you started and then Okay, you said

I’ll do it and then you know knowing because you mentioned before you are Capricorn son and stuff. How did you

like started actually building the idea or bringing the idea to actually to reality? Like what was going through

your mind when you were like, “Okay, I’m in charge of this now.” Like, okay.

Well, okay.

What there there was a combination because at the time he was bringing more online

experience than I had. M so the combination was between me asking

the question a what would be really cool what would be really helpful what have I

struggled with in my astrological journey like what has been hard for me and what what my my answer to that

question was that the astrology I was getting exposed to was either so complex

that I had no idea what they were saying or it is so watered down that I didn’t

find it particularly useful. Right? So I was like there’s nothing really in the middle, you know, there’s like I

can’t find that like sweet spot in the middle. And and also I loved the kind of

spiritual orientation around astrology. Like I loved how to like this is all really cool, but like how does it

actually help us live better lives? like how does it actually help us like live our purpose and show up for

our children and and have better relationships and you know all these things like I really wanted the the

Capricorn part of me wanted the real practical like how do I apply it in my

life you know so at the time there was no um also the other thing I noticed is

that at least in the world I had come from no one really knew what astrology

was like They thought it was a horoscopes, you know, and just like me, they wrote it off as silly and like not

serious, you know, but what I was experiencing was so different than that that I was like, I would love to

introduce the more people who are, you know, interested to what like real astrology is and for them to meet some

of these people that I’m like the kind of people I’m meeting through Natasha, you know, like these are these are some

of the most educated, eloquent passionate interesting people that I’ve

ever met in my entire life. So, wouldn’t it be cool to introduce people to them?

You know, it was kind of like I was having this experience and I wanted other people to have the kind of

experience I was having without me having to explain it. Like, just experience it and then you make your own decision. You know, that was the other

thing is I wasn’t interested in getting involved in the who’s right and who’s wrong conversation.

which way is right, which way is wrong, which because I was always interested in like

nutrition and and health. And it always was so disappointing to me to get to the point where everyone’s

fighting over like which way is right and which way is wrong. It it would like crush my enthusiasm because it was like,

oh god, now I’m just totally confused and and it like it’s not fun anymore,

you know? So I I wanted to make sure that we were holding a space where where

it was all welcome and in that other people get you get to decide like which is the right way for you and you get to

decide which kind of teacher you like and you get to decide which approach to astrology resonates the most with you.

So those kinds of things were really important from the beginning. Mhm. And then it was a matter of okay well

how do you do that like and so he brought the idea that maybe we

do an online summit because because there were those were happening in other industries those were

happening in nutrition those were happening in um like I don’t know a lot of places marketing you know

and we looked around we’re like I don’t think they’re happening in astrology at the time and they weren’t and so what we

were able to do was bring the first as far as I know I still I still don’t

think anybody else that was doing online astrology summits at the time and the astrologers were like what are

you doing like is this some sort of like multi-level marketing scheme like there was a lot of

there was a lot of hesitation in the beginning and I totally understand why we’re these two people neither one of us

are astrologers we aren’t like super connected in the field and we’re like hey do you want to

come and do this thing, you know. So, anyways, that’s was the first thing we did was an online summit. And Rich was

like, Rich Tabinger is the the guy that I was working with at the time. He’s like, I think you should do like 33

interviews. And I was like, what? First of all, I’ve never interviewed anyone.

Second of all, I’m not comfortable on camera at all.

Third of all, how are we going to get 33 people? I don’t even I mean I know Natasha and I know one other astrologer

on Maui and that was it at the time really you know so it was just like okay

and so that’s that was basically where we started it like felt like this huge yeah okay I’m a Capricorn so it’s kind

of like a mountain worth looking up and being like but it sounds fine you know like can we pull it off like

so and we did we we got there was 33 astrologers and it I wasn’t on camera

thank god it was audio only that Zoom and things like that weren’t big yet. So I we did it an audio only summit and I

thought it was really fun. I thought it was fun to talk to people. I found that I you like my natural curiosity really

played well as a translatable skill in interviewing. Um and so yeah, that’s that’s how it

started. Well, yeah. I was I wanted to ask you because I mean

you’re like doing things you never done before, you know, astrology interviewing people. It’s like I mean really truly

big admiration there for being so brave to say okay, you know, let’s just like I mean it’s I don’t know how you did it

from but wow. So how do you feel the first time you did your first interview

without the camera and then with the camera? Okay. Um terrified.

Like out of my depth, you know. Um

and when it was released, oh god, I remember I remember this like it was literally yesterday. So we released the

summit. I had just been doing all these little interviews in my bedroom. I didn’t know if they were good. I didn’t

know if anybody cared. I didn’t know if anybody was interested. And so I did, you know, I did all these interviews and

then we release it. Like we released the first one and the first feedback we got

was this like scathing email. It was I mean the person like it couldn’t have

been scripted better. You know what I’m saying? Like it was just so mean and they they hated me. They

literally I was like, “Oh shoot.” Like I just I like I remember I was crying. I

was just so sad because I was like, “Oh my god, is this whole thing just a

disaster?” And like, did I just mess up every single like And to me, like, I was

I was in that rock bottom moment still. So, it was like, “Oh my god, did I just like ruin this opportunity?”

Uhhuh. Anyways, the first few emails that came in were mean.

Oh, wow. And then the really nice ones started to come in. It was like, and I’ve noticed

this, like oftentimes the disgruntled ones are the loudest. They’re and and

they’re the first, you know, and so those came in first and then the

like, “Oh my gosh, that was amazing.” Or this is so cool. Like because before

this everyone the only way to get access to these kinds of talks this level of astrological conversation was to travel

to a conference or to travel where your teacher is and like give up your life and live there

for for years while you’re getting mentored. So then the the then the grateful people

started writing in and just saying, “Oh my god, I got to like do this in my pajamas. Oh my god. Like that. Like I

can’t believe I’m listening to Mark Jones, you know. I can’t believe I’m listening to I don’t think Rick was on

that first. I can’t believe I’m listening to Deborah Silverman. And you know, I’ve only seen her on YouTube, you

know. So then those people started coming and and I really like I I hung on

to them and I still do. Like it to me it’s like the ones who I know we’re

serving, the ones who I know are getting something from what we’re offering, I’m

speaking to them as much as possible. I mean, it’s really hard. Like, I don’t know if you ever get to a point where like you’re you don’t

hear the the critic or the you know, but and it’s taken and I I can’t I can’t

even say that I’m better at it than I was in the beginning. Maybe maybe maybe I am because I know that there are

people at this point that we are serving. You know, I hear enough of stories like yours. Okay. No, but then I didn’t I didn’t hear I

didn’t have like a backlog of those kinds of stories. So, it was hard the first time on camera. I mean,

honestly, like I I rarely look at the videos even to this day

really. I rarely like listen to myself. I really try to just be in a

conversation with you while I’m in the conversation with you and just like talk to you as if we were

sitting and having coffee. Um, I probably should like critique

myself more, but I but I don’t that much because um because I’m still like I

don’t know. I I wouldn’t call myself shy like I’m I’m a friendly person. Uh but

yeah, anyways, so the first time we did basically the first I mean we even started the podcast audio only. The

podcast was audio only for the first two years. Like we didn’t actually put it on YouTube until late in 2019 and then 2020

is Oh really? Oh yeah. No, no, no. It was audio only. Oh wow. Yeah, because I remember, you

know, hearing some episodes like only hearing, you know, when I knew astrology, I went I’m, you know, I’m

backstage. I go down down down. I’m like, okay, who is this person? Blah blah. Yeah. And I started hearing and I’m like, I I

don’t know when exactly where did you when did you started making the videos up to? And then I I wanted to ask you

because probably you know COVID you know probably for you was a huge like oh god

like how do you deal with this comfort zone you created maybe I mean you know

with the podcast and suddenly like boom like everyone is locked down we are all looking for answers including myself

Amanda what happened including myself I mean again it was that same question of like what do I

need right now and how can because I started I started calling up astrologers and just going what the what is going on

and then they would start talking and I was like oh I should probably share this with everybody this is helping me so

much I should probably just share it with everybody can you come and we’ll like even that’s when the cosmic

connection started where Rick and I were meeting every week and when Ann and I were doing the weekly weather every week

was an answer to that question of like what do people need right now. And in

that moment, people needed reassurance. They needed, including myself, like I’m

including I needed reassurance. I needed to be reminded that this was all part of

the astrological invitation of the time. Like it was scripted and and we were

living it. And so I am always asking the question, okay, well, like if we’re

here, which we are, we’re all here. We’re here for a reason.

We’re here to contribute something. We can’t control the astrological tides.

I believe we chose to be here at this particular time. So how can we do it the

best way possible? But what is the what is the highest invitation of this moment in time of this astrological transit of

this period of life in you know in our lives? What is the highest invitation?

And and can I like what can I do to to live that as best as I can? I mean we’re

not perfect, right? We’re humans. We’re doing the best we can. But but once we have the information, then we get to

make choices. And I feel like without the information, it just feels like we’re getting like battered around, you

know? I can’t imagine navigating 2020, 2021, 2022

right now without the the anchoring in the the bigger picture of what’s happening

astrologically. It just it helps me so much personally. So again, I’m like, if it’s helping me, it’s probably helping

other people. And actually Natasha said something to me about my 12th house placements at one point that has stuck

with me. She said that when we have placements in the 12th house,

we’re clued into the collective consciousness in a different way. And so I have

trusted that and and really when I have something that like I really need, I

trust that other people really need that too. And so I go with that, you know, it’s kind of like if I’m needing it,

probably there’s other people like me out there who also need it. So I mean to answer your question,

uh well, so first of all, when when everybody starts getting locked down and

the economy is like crashing and people don’t have work, it was like, okay, like

this might be the end of astrology. Literally, I was like, this could be the

end. like this really could. And I I remember I did it I did a podcast episode with Adam Summer. It was one of

the first episodes we did right when everybody started getting locked down because and and one of the things we

talked about was the movie Titanic because I really felt like we were at

that moment where like the ship is sinking and and we may all go down with it. like

there’s a really good chance that we’re going to go down with this ship. And I I remembered the part where you’re

seeing all the different ways that people were were responding to that crisis.

You have the people who are fighting over the lifeboats and killing each other over it.

You have the people who are playing music. You have Oh god, it makes me cry still.

Yeah. You have the mom who’s like cuddled up

with her kids like reading them a book. So in that moment I was like, “Well, who

do I want to be? Like if I’m if I’m going down, if astrology’s going down,

none of us know like what’s happening really, you know? Is there this deadly disease that everyone’s going to be gone

tomorrow? Like who do I want to be in this moment?” And I was like, I want to

play music and read stories. And so that was like, okay, well, if

we’re gonna play music and read stories, we have this community who needs us right now. Let’s just go. Like, let’s

just be on air as much as possible. Let’s play music for them as much as

possible. Let’s be a place where they can go and like feel comforted and

inspired and hopeful. And that’s what we did. And it was just it was like

it was terrifying and so exhilarating because I know that we helped so many

people through that time. We helped ourselves and we helped them and uh we

helped the astrologers too. They needed an outlet. They needed a place where they could go and like help people. Like

that’s that’s the thing that’s motivating them to do astrology. they didn’t get into astrology because they thought they were going to be

celebrities or they thought they were going to be like wealthy, you know, it’s

truly coming from a sole place of like how do I serve and and how can I help

people? So, it was really a beautiful time from that perspective. Um, you

know, and then there were a lot of like initiations as a leader because there were a lot of moments of how do I want

to handle this? on what level do I want to get involved in the um in the divide

that I also saw really happening? And it was really heartbreaking for me to see

that. I mean,

the the seemingly benign topics would be brought up and

people would be fighting and like it was hard for me because we’d always held this space of like you’re all welcome

here. Like we’re having a we’re having an astrological conversation. I don’t want anyone to feel left out of that.

Like that to me is the antithesis of astrology. Like astrology to me and I know like

sometimes I must sound so like naive and I don’t know polyiana or whatever but to

me astrology is a universal unifier.

We are all under these same stars. The stars don’t know divides.

And so to me, it’s like I don’t I’m not

interested or inspired to be fighting or to be holding a space where everybody’s

like I am totally fine for healthy debate. My god, respectful, healthy,

kind debate is juicy and alive. Like this is where we learn about each other.

Like this is this is to me the the beauty of the Aquarius Leo axis. Like

yes, be an individual with your individual perspective, with your unique gifts, with with the way you see the

world in the way that only you can. Astrology shows us that that that is the truth of who we are and how do we

contribute that for the for the good of all for for the the the good of humanity.

That to me is a really interesting conversation. But but because it was so raw, because it was so um

I mean people it was life and death, you know, like people were people were in

their survival instinct and and and I don’t fault them for that, you know. I

don’t fault like everybody being where they were at at the time. I just had to make a decision about what conversation

I wanted to have and what space we wanted to hold and what values we could uphold. And

actually in my book that’s coming out in November, I explain

to me like the backstory of why that is

so fundamentally important for my soul in this lifetime.

It it’s It’s like one of those it it just feels like one of those non-negotiables. Like I’ve messed it up

enough times in whatever lifetimes I’ve lived that I don’t want to do that this time.

Like I’m like been there, done that. I’ve learned the hard lessons. I’ve experienced the pain and suffering that

comes from not doing the thing that I know to be

true. And so that was the question at that time like what space do we want to

hold? what what frequency is astrology

hub resonating at? And it was really amazing to go through

that time and have to get really crystal clear about that and to uphold it even when of course we got criticized for

that too. Like people being like well I I want politics. I want I want to be

like in that conversation. I want and it’s like okay there’s plenty of places

to go for that. Like a lot of people are having that conversation and and I’m totally happy to do it in a

way that is respectful and honoring. That’s it. Wow. Amanda. Wow. Is the

beautiful that how you explain the the Titanic, you know, that the whole the story. I never saw it that way. So

beautiful. And I hope every time guys you think that the the ship is sinking.

Sinking. You say in English sinking. Like I feel it every day here. And now with that vision you just gave to me

it’s like okay yeah what role I want to play because I mean we are in this very interesting times there let’s just put

it that way the ship the ship might be sinking you know like for sure yes

that’s a great reminder and I’m so happy that I mean nobody knows that the things

you go through because you know being a leading platform or maybe maybe you didn’t even know you were a leading

platform during COVID but like all the responsibility and integrity in how you

handle these things. I I mean it’s truly admiring. So I want to thank you for that and and al also for people to

recognize a bit also what happens behind the scenes because this is what this podcast is about. There is a lot going

on. So so after yeah in that process of covid postcoid vaccine vaccine whatever

you know and you saw that people were joining joining I remember you have to migrate platforms um to to some other

platform. So I’m I’m assuming you realized you needed a team or maybe you already had a team. So

Oh yeah. So So how what how was that process of realizing oh man like I have whatever K

numbers of followers now and we are you know on demand how did you manage that wave?

So I don’t know what this is about me. It could be the Capricorn delegator thing but I’ve always known I need a

team. I am like I’m good at certain things and I’m really not good at other things, you

know, like I am not a detail person. I am not a like so like those first few

summits we did I I basically ran it all by myself. It was horrible. It was so

hard like scheduling 33 people, running

the interviews, figuring out how to get everything edited, doing the landing

page, doing the, you know, all the emails, all the it’s like, “Oh my god, this is a lot.” And so from the

beginning, well, once once we could, I was like, “I need someone to help me

with some of these details because I’m just I’m really not good at them.” like I can do it, but I’m horrible and I like

get really cranky, you know, like like this is not, you know, I just it’s hard. It’s draining, very draining. Um, so of

course I did it because sometimes you have to and like that’s just the reality of the situation. But that um was

probably so it was probably like a year in where I was like okay I need like I need like an assistant like someone who

can help me like communicate with the astrologers and do the contracts and you know make sure they have everything they

need the link to join and you know all those little details. It’s a lot. Uh so you know we had a like I had a

part-time person I’d say by like 20 so this was 2015 is when it started.

So by like 2016, 2017, you know, just as we could, just bringing in help, you

know, someone to do graphic design and helping along the way. And then at this time, the the online tools weren’t very

good, you know? So like you really needed you needed a web designer, you

know what I’m saying? You needed you needed these these people who have this expertise because it wasn’t plug-and-play and it wasn’t easy to do.

So I would say in 2020 2021

we definitely brought on more people. We definitely brought on and I had a really

big vision for what I thought we were building toward. So I had like a 10-year

vision and it was really big. my Capricorn again like it’s like

yeah I just like see things big you know automotically is big yes and and then the Capricorn’s okay

well what we would do we need in place in order to like make this vision real so I went through a period of time where

we were hiring for a future vision wow it was a lot it was a lot and it was

like again like there’s So many times in this

process where I’ve had to be like, where is my joy? Like what what’s inspiring for me? What’s fun for me? Because this

this the company started in that place. This is inspiring. This is fun. This is joyful. This is, you know,

I I I’m inspired to share these things. So whenever it feels heavy

and burdensome and uh you know, I’m just like doing it

because I have to do it because this is what we’re doing. Yeah. Delivering. I yeah like I’ll like it when and that’s happened a few times

where it’s gotten to that place where it’s like it starts to feel heavy like because especially after 2020 2021 we did grow huge the team expanded but then

in 2022 2020 everything contracted again but we had this huge team so it was like

oh this is this is heavy and so then it was we got to contract again like

because this isn’t this isn’t we don’t have in order to sustain this thing,

it’s to I’m having to do things I don’t I’m not inspired to do, right?

It’s not fun anymore. It’s not So, again, it’s like this I always think of um Rick talking about like the Jupiter

expansion and the Saturn contraction and you need both. And so, I’ve experienced that so much in running this business,

like the period of time where just everything, you know, and you you meet the demand and you grow with the demand,

but then there’s a time where it’s like, okay, that’s not there anymore. So we got to we got to go back in and that’s

okay. That doesn’t mean failure. That doesn’t mean it’s a disaster. Just that’s just the eb and flow of business,

of life, of you know, nature, all of them, right?

So, uh, you know, but I’m making it sound like it’s easy. It’s never easy. The contraction part is never easy. Like

having to let people go, having to cut back people’s hours, you know, all that. I I really don’t like doing any of that.

It’s not fun. It’s not fun. And it’s you know I always I always hold the if it is best for I

I’ve always thought of astrology hub as its own entity. It has a soul. It has a mission. You know we know this as people

into astrology like everything is a birth chart. Everything has a soul. And so if if this is best for astrology

hub if I can answer that like with an emphatic yes. And I know what’s best for AstrologyHub is me being inspired and me

being on fire with like my joy and my enthusiasm. And when when that starts to

go away, it’s like it’s not good for AstrologyHub either. So, it’s like, okay, if it’s best for AstrologyHub, if

it’s best for me personally, then I know that eventually it’s best for everybody,

including the community, including the team, including, you know, whoever else is involved, the astrologers, you know.

So, having to make those calls is I always there’s always this element of trust that like they’re going to be

better in the end, everything will be better in the end. And I and I I’m so I

know that astrology wants to live, you know, like it wants and so to live it it

needs to be sustainable. It needs to have the healthy elements of

a sustainable entity. And I always look to nature for that. Like you could like I always look to what do the flowers

need? What do the trees need? what what does nature need in order to be sustainable and to bear fruit every two

years on those mango trees that I have in my yard? What do they need? You know, there’s like the fundamentals. And so

the business is no no different. Yeah, that’s so such a simple formula. No, and we we complicate ourselves and

you know, try to find the strategy and and you know, just look at a tree in your garden and follow the same recipe.

That’s beautiful. Amanda, thanks. Yes, Amanda. Um, do you have more time? We reach one hour but I want to check.

Yeah. Okay. Just to start closing but so Amanda talking more about your you know

your personal routine because I mean how do you handle sharing so much energy

every day with so many people including your husband the people you interview

your team your daughters the community? How do you nurture yourself to stay

grounded? Um, another thing I’ve had to learn through time and often the hard

way, it’s the same thing as the tree. What

does the tree need? What does Amanda need? I need rest. I need light. I need air. I need water. I need fundamentals

of nutrition. I I have gotten to a point where I recognize that prioritizing

those things is prioritizing the business, is prioritizing my children,

is prioritizing my partner. So, it’s like

I’m not always perfect at it. As a Capricorn, it’s hard. I have to like it’s something I have to

rebalance on a consistent basis because again life isn’t static. There’s periods

of time where it’s busier than others. We go on a trip coming back from the

trip there’s like the integration phase of like you know everything feels out of balance. So like what are the fundamentals I do to get myself back in

balance? One of the biggest things is getting outside. M

I have to get outside. I I have to get under the sky. Every time I do, I hear

the stars are like I mean that sounds crazy, but you know, I I know it’s them.

You run an astrology company. You have to be with us like every day. There’s

you you cannot be in your little studio at your little computer all day every

day. like you need to get outside. And so, and that doesn’t mean just at night. Like this morning I was I I told you I

was up at 4:16. I don’t always like to wake up that early, but I often do sometime between 4

and 5, but I go to bed early. But anyways, I um I just went out and walked

in the dark. And I always think of that uh quote. I forget who said it. I need

to I need to like Rick is so good at memorizing who says all the quotes. I’m always like, “What the how do you pull

that out of your head all the time? It’s amazing.” Anyways, the quote is, “I have

loved the stars too fondly to be fearful

of the night.” Oh, beautiful. So, to me, I just I go out there, I just

like walk I I do I I have recently within the last I don’t know,

maybe about a year started really prioritizing my step count. So when I do

um but what that does is it gets me outside. Like it it it gifies me getting

outside. So like if I’m aiming for 12,500 steps a day, that means I’m going

to be outside a lot more than if I was doing 6,000 steps. So okay, getting outside, getting sleep. I mean, I just

it’s the fundamentals. I definitely um eat as clean as possible. I um

love the ocean. Yeah, I have to dance. When I don’t when I don’t get my dance day every week, I’m

off. It’s like oxygen to me that just moment of like being we I dance with my

teacher right by the ocean on this like natural platform made of rock and it’s

like this natural stage. It’s like the best thing ever. Wow. And we just we dance hoola early in the

morning with the sun rising. I mean, it’s these things, but not this didn’t I didn’t start this way. You know what I’m

saying? Like, this has come through like a lot of trial and error. A lot of like, what do I need to show up my best? But when I’m doing these things, I have the

energy to do all the other things, right? You know what I’m saying? Then it’s easy to show up and have conversations like

this and have Oh, I take naps as much as possible almost every day.

Wow. Okay. I’m a total napper. Like, and I love naps because I feel like I get two days.

There’s like day before the nap, the nap, and then like I feel like I almost get an entire other day.

But yeah, like it’s, you know, those fundamentals. Interesting. Beautiful. Yeah, because

well, I mean, come on. Yeah, I was just thinking about, you know, how many interviews you may, you know, you do a

day and then, I don’t know, pick up the kids at school, whatever. I was just like, oh my god, how she handles all these things. You know, I’m actually

more like a detailed person. So I think about the little things, you know, like how she handles this or that. But tell

us more about your beautiful book. I can’t wait for it. Tell us more about your book because I mean

from this conversation I’m getting you have such a beautiful journey, the way you you tell the story, the things you

notice because you know you’re so in tune with yourself. So tell us more about the book and when is it coming,

when can we get it, where can we get it and all these things. Um, so I’ve had this like book inside of me

since in 2019 I was taking a a like a book writer’s

class and we would we would meet every Wednesday. It was online and and

Wednesday was like my writing day and I had all this idea of writing a book. It was a very different book than the one

that is going to be published in November. But then COVID happened and my kids were

at home all day every day and I lost my Wednesday and I was like, “Okay, I guess

I need to put this on the shelf. Like obviously this isn’t the right time.” So I did. Came back, but it kept haunting

me. Like it was like, “No, no, no. You’re going to write a book. You’re going to write a book.” I’m like, “Okay.” I didn’t even really know what the book was going to be about. But at

the time, I thought I was go I was like, “Gosh, I’ve I’ve interviewed all these astrologers. I’m gonna like take compilations of like some of the best

things they’ve said and like write a book around that. You know, that was the first book.

So then it came back around in 2023 and I did the I don’t know if you were

around for the solstice intention setting series that I did, but I I created this whole intention

setting series and I used the archetypes of the zodiac and we set intentions

around those archetypes. And so for every month of the year there was an intention set. Okay. So then the second

idea was I was gonna write a book around that because I had already like done all these videos and you know it was very

much alive in me. I was like okay I’ll write a book about that. I’ll start it a little bit with my story and then I’ll go into like how to set intentions using

the zodiac archetypes as like the anchor point. That’s very So I start to write it and I’m writing

my story and it’s like 10 pages for the story and then 50 pages for the story

and then 150 pages for the story. I’m like, “Oh,

wow. I think that the story wants to be told.” And it was interesting for me

because I was reexperiencing the story in a way

I had never told. Like I’d never because you know people ask me like how did you start astrology

heaven? Like I would tell tell the story but it was coming through in a totally different way with dialogue with like

it was in vivid color. It was like I was inviting people in to have the

experience with me as if they were living it. So was it it it kind of reads like a fictional story,

but it’s not your truth. Exactly. Wow. Um and

and so so I write this whole thing. It ends up, you know, 300 pages. And I was

like, “Oh, wow. Am I actually going to put this out there?” Because it is cuz

I’m a 12th house son and it’s very it’s raw. It’s like it’s exposed. And and you

know, I had the thought the other day. I was like, there’s not one single person in the entire world that knows

everything about me that’s in that book. Mhm. But it was kind of the thing like what

happened during co it was like, will this be of service? Could my story

actually inspire other people going through similar experiences of transformation? Could this help someone

that’s like at that hard part, the really hard part that lasts a lot longer than anyone ever says it’s going to

last? Could this help them through it? Could this get people inspired to to

maybe look into their birth chart and like see what it’s all about? And I I

believe the answer to those questions is yes. And so then it’s like, okay, I’m going to do it. So in typical Capricorn

fashion, I got help, you know, because I’ve never written a book. So, I I hired um a book coach and a

developmental editor. And at one point, as I’m writing the story, I’m like,

the astrology was so clearly alive the whole time in this story, but I didn’t know anything about astrology. So, how

do I retell the story highlighting the fact that astrology is playing out in my life even though I’m

clueless about it, right? It’s like, well, maybe I’ll invite Natasha Alter, who was who is the

astrologer who gave me my first reading, who’s my soul sister, fairy godmother, I don’t know what you want to call her,

but she’s this magical presence in my life still. Maybe invite her to do

notes, like astrologers notes that are like a commentary on the story. And so I

like I called her up and I was like, “What do you think about this idea?” and she was like, “Wow.” Like, “Yes.” Like,

it was one of those immediate yeses as well. And so throughout the story, there’s like there’s 42 chapters and I

think 15 or 16 of them have astrologers notes where she provides a commentary on

what was happening astrologically, but then also brings it to the person. So, for example,

there’s in my Saturn return where I’ve like built this empire in New York City

and I like think that I’m climbing this mountain, but there’s this like internal dialogue

that’s starting to wake up in me that’s like, is this really what you’re here for? Is this what is this what life is

all about? Isn’t there something more for you? You know, this is all like starting in the background. And so she

could reflect about the Saturn return and what what wakes up, what that

maturation process is for everybody, you know, like using my story as an example. So it’s kind of like, you know, how we

always do the celebrity charts and we and we to me it’s almost like we we think we

know what that celebrity was going through because of what was maybe portrayed in the media or whatever. this

is an opportunity to get like way behind the scenes and to see a chart playing out in a very

intimate way. And so I’m hoping and actually um Jennifer Rasobi is one of

the early I don’t know if you know her. She’s an astrologer. Yeah. Yeah. I took her master class when I was in the inner circle. Of course.

Yes. Yeah. She’s amazing. So she um is has been so generous with her uh she’s

written a book, you know, and it it so she’s like she she understands what I’m going through. She’s like, “I’ll help you in any way you want.” So, she

started reading it and she’s like, “Wow, like this is such an amazing teaching tool.” And I’m like, “Yes, awesome.” So

it’s it’s story and I hope that it I hope that it is interesting and

entertaining from a story perspective for the reader and then also

that they get to learn astrology while they’re reading the book and you know learn more about their own chart and

start to look into certain things about their own chart. You know, Natasha has a note on on astrocartgraphy or

relocation, of course, because the story charts me from California to New York to Hawaii. So, what was happening

astrologically? So, it’s, you know, yeah, I think I it might be the first book

honestly I I have read a lot of books that it’s actually telling a story like

a personal story. Yes. And explaining France. It’s It is the It’s probably Yeah. the first book. said

too. She’s like, “Oh my god, this never end.” And I It was one of those moments of like just getting the inspiration,

acting on it, getting the immediate yes from Natasha, knowing that that’s like when things flow like that, then then we

go and we don’t always know why, but like as it was unfolding, it was just like, “Oh, wow. This is really cool.”

Like this is the first time it’s been done. Like how cool, you know? Yeah. I think it will be a complete

success. And I also wanted to to ask you because obviously I mean I know like in

backstage astrology we’re supposed to only interview astrologers but I do think you’re an astrologer. Come on. You

have 10 years of I don’t know how many conversations. Have you counted them? Minutes.

Oh my god. Hundreds. I mean minutes like Yes. Yes. So would you do you I mean do you

consider yourself an astrologer or

thank you for the question and I still don’t call myself that and and it’s not

because I don’t want to be associated as an astrologer or anything like that. It’s just that I don’t read charts all

the time. Like I don’t I think of an astrologer as someone who’s like reading charts and like but I guess it’s not

actually true because there are some like there’s some astrologers that that do it differently, you know, that are

they’re not reading charts for people either. But um

I mean do I know about more about astrology than like the average person? Oh my gosh, yes. Like I know I feel like

I know the archetypes very intimately. I know a lot very intimately,

but I still don’t call myself an astrologer. I don’t know. Maybe it’s crazy. Maybe I should. I just don’t.

I like consider myself still like the hostess who invites everybody to the party and invite and introduces them to

the real astrologers, you know? Yes, that’s the way I think about it. You’ve interviewed hundreds of

astrologers. What have you learned about astrology by being the one asking the

questions? that in astrology is infinitely

fascinating. Just when I think I’ve gotten to like the last person who might

have something interesting to say or the last topic that might be interesting, it’s like, oh my god. And it’s it it has

only confirmed for me the truth that we are we are navigating

cosmic astrological tides. That we are absolutely a part of all of it. That there is purpose and meaning behind what

we’re doing here. That there is divine intelligence that’s completely mind-blowing beyond any concept we could

possibly have. And that this is an incredible time to be alive.

Yeah, like I I mean like I talked to all of them. I mean here are these like incredibly intelligent human beings who

have like turned this topic inside out upside down. There’s many of them who started as critics who only got into it

to prove that it was wrong who are just like I it it blows me away every single

day. Wow. So to be asking the questions, it’s just it’s it’s and also that that that

really well done astrology that is done by by people in integrity

who actually care about astrology and who care about people that it is

absolutely so helpful and useful for people that

who are ready for it. I’m not saying everybody. There’s not only one way, but if you’re one of those people who’s

attuned to it, that it can actually it can absolutely change your life in beautiful, beautiful, wonderful ways.

Um, yeah. Wow. Okay. And looking back, what is one

mistake you think you made as a business woman that turned into your greatest

teacher? One.

Get one. Um, you know, I don’t know if you remember

when we built the big platform for readings. Yes. Yeah. The the the Yeah. You can

pick the astrologer and do a reading. Yeah. Yes. Yes. It was

I still think it’s a great idea. I still think someone should do it. Maybe we’ll do it again.

But it’s not it’s well no you can still do it just not with the big huge technical infrastructure that we built. So we

invested a lot in this technical platform that

enabled like everything from the very beginning to

the very end like even you even had the reading via the platform. You booked the reading via the platform. you

got your recording via the platform like we were we it was the idea came even

before better health existed but then once I started hearing about better at health I was like oh

it’s basically that but astrologers right okay so what I realized in doing that is

it was going to cost so much money to keep that thing going with the amount

of volume it would need to actually be profitable and to keep it going because so what

happened is I ended up inadvertently becoming a tech company and becoming and and that’s not where my joy is like

that’s not where my you know what I’m saying so like we built this thing with this idea which I still think is a great

idea and I still think it’s a service that people could use because I I felt really

I I wanted to make sure that people who wanted really great readings had a place to go where they could like the people

were vetted and and they could trust that they were going to get a good high quality reading. And I still think that

that is valid, but just the business part of actually running a technology

platform and all of the like it was like we built this house that then needed all this maintenance like constantly

maintained and like so now we’re involved in these things and I’m just like oh my gosh this is not

this is not why I started AstrologyHub to be like a tech company that’s running

a big huge platform like you know So, so it was one day we were

on a call and it was just like it was so expensive the volume like I was like,

“Oh my god, we would have to have a huge marketing budget to even like make this thing work.” And so I was I was looking

into raising money, like investing money so we could support this thing that we built.

And so we’re like months into that process and I have this moment of like I don’t want to bring in investors. like

that’ll change the energy of this entire thing. Wow. I don’t want to be running a tech

company, but we had Oh my god, we had spent so much money on this thing. So,

walking away from it from the perspective of like you just like

it was it was it was a very expensive mistake. I’ll just say that. But

but it was good. I’m so glad we did it. I’m so glad that that I shut it well

shut I didn’t actually shut it down. We we just reinvented where now like it’s basically just a referral like you you

go on to astrology hub. You can find an astrologer and then it just goes to the astrologer. They do the booking. They

they run everything. Yeah. Yeah. I remember going Yeah. We can play the role we’re good at

which is connecting people but then like let the astrologers handle that piece of it, you know? But we also wanted to

lighten the load for the astrologers. Like we it was it was a well-intentioned idea.

It just I got in way too far of a thing that isn’t my kana. You know that’s one

of my favorite words. Kana it’s a Hawaiian word that means responsibility

and joy. Ah very nice kana. I often yeah kana. So I often ask myself

this is this is a good idea but is it my kana like is it both my responsibility?

very nice and my joy. And if I cannot answer yes to that, then it’s somebody else’s

kooliana. They should do it. Yay, go do it. We need it. I think we need it. You know what I’m saying? But just not

it’s not not mine to do. So, I’ve had to like learn again the hard way. And whenever I like try to

push against that, it doesn’t work anyways. And it ends up costing even more money and more energy

and more sadness and despair. So, I may as well

just like cut it before we get to that point. So, I’ve learned that through making mistakes. I mean, I’ve made

Right. But I think I mean I didn’t know that the whole reading was held there. Sorry. I went through there. I look at I

remember looking and saying, “Oh, but I didn’t I mean I didn’t purchase so I didn’t know it was there.” But I think

it’s I mean when you when you made it, I said like, “Wow, finally all you find them all together in one place.”

I know. Well, you can still do that. You can still do that. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean recognizing that

I think it’s also part of you know doing things with integrity you know you know when you say you know what this is

supposed to be joy and this is a great idea but it’s going to take the joy away

from me in a way so you know it would oh and bringing in investors I was just like oh god then they’re just

breathing down your throat and they they have a different agenda they need to make their return on investment and they

need to do it in a certain amount of time and they don’t really care about the soul of astrology hub,

right? Just like exactly, I really want to sign up for that. Is that going to be fun anymore? No. So, I

mean, not today. I don’t I can’t say not ever because maybe I could find an investor that’s like the right person

who gets the vision and who, you know, there’s unicorns exist. I’ve I’ve been surprised, but I just it it didn’t feel

likely at that time. Yeah. Right. Amanda, finally, I mean, I could talk to you forever and I obviously had

a list of questions. So, I hope you come back to talk more about like your chart and the transits as a Capricorn, you

know, maybe another time, but I know it’s been quite some time and you probably have things to do. So, finally,

what dream are you still holding close for yourself or or your family or even

astrology hope that you haven’t yet shared publicly?

M I still dream of meeting more of our

community in person. Oh, whether that’s through events or through

local meetups or I don’t know, like I just I get so much out of meeting the

people in the flesh and like being able to hug people and look them in the eyes. And the times I I’ve gotten to do that

have been amazing. You know, it’s it’s interesting being so far out here in the middle of the ocean. like it’s not the

most convenient thing to travel all the time and do that kind of thing. So, um,

and I really still crave

finding ways to help people bring astrology out of their heads and into

their bodies to experience it alive in their bodies.

Because I think that that’s sometimes we can get really stuck up here and that’s

great and we need the understanding the cerebral understanding. It’s not

wrong but I love I would love to play a part in creating experiences of

astrology. So how that comes to life I have a lot of like ideas but like you know we’ll

see. I was going to say because you have a sunn house. How about retreats or something? Oh my god. I know. I know. It

like seems like a no-brainer. It’s just been every time we go to do it there. It hasn’t been the green light, green

light, green light thing, you know? It hasn’t been just like unfolds and it’s a no-brainer. And I like it when it just unfolds and I know

that we’re like and and often that’s just a matter of timing. Like the same with the book. Like it

took me forever and then all of a sudden Jupiter goes into Gemini and I’m like I’m going to ride that wave. And I

literally wrote the book with Jupiter and Gemini because my Jupiter’s in Gemini and I was like, I’m going to just that’s

that’s my time frame and it worked. It was like so cool to time it with the astrology and like ride a wave.

So, I’ll wait until whenever it’s the right time to do the events. Oh, that would be so cool. Yeah, it I

mean it will happen at some point, I’m sure. Amanda, thanks so much. I mean for

your time and your wisdom and you know the interview took a very different

but it was amazing. I really enjoy it and you know when you let things flow they just turn out the way they need to

be. So thank you so much for sharing your energy energy and your wisdom. And

why would you tell finally uh people that are thinking to

make astrology or to leave out of astrology? You know you are a businesswoman. So, do you have any advice for us

that are, you know, trying to to make something out of astrology in a business way?

Yes. Well, first of all, I think there will only be more and more opportunities. I I see that it’s

continuing to grow as an interest point for people. As we know with the

astrology things are very

up and down for the world and when there’s a lot of uncertainty it’s the time when people need the kind of

guidance that we can offer through astrology even more I you know well it

depends am I talking to people who are giving readings am I talking to people who want to build platforms

both I mean there would be a lot to say to both of those approaches but I love

thinking about how to create win-win opportunities for people. You know, in astrology hub, from the beginning, it

was like, I don’t want to go in and like compete. I’d love to just create

something that’s new and that adds to what’s happening. And I think that’s

always a winning approach of like where can I come in and amplify or expand or

lend something unique. One of the things I’ve been noticing recently is that the astrologers who are blending

astrology with the other things that they’re interested in, whether that’s alchemy or yoga or um you

know, metaphysics or therapy or you know, they’re like they’re blending into

something really uniquely theirs. I’m just noticing that they like seem really

on fire with their careers. They’re they’re inspired to write more, to share more. They’re kind of

in that sweet spot of creation. And so, yeah, I mean, God, and the other thing

is remember like if you’re an astrologer doing readings

and you feel like this word marketing, it’s like for me

the word marketing just means communicating like it’s just communicating. It’s just sharing. But

like if you but if you really don’t like that like maybe like meet that um edge

and just see where how you could do it in a way that feels right for you

because because it’s just like an artist or or

even even a lot of like doctors or you know it’s like it’s a both and like we

it’s the creative part it’s Saturn and Jupiter you know it’s like the expansive part and the like mundane like there is

the mundane day in reality part. So, you know, I’ve taken so many classes to learn how to communicate better, to

share better, to run a business better, to, you know, do all the things because

because we it we always need to be learning too. Yeah. So, there’s there’s the craft. So

there’s like learning the craft and then learning how to communicate about the craft and share about the craft and find

your tribe and you know you I think the more we we share

authentically and in integrity the more the signal goes out to the people that

are attuned to the thing that you have to share. And so that’s a whole process like how do you find that voice? How do

you feel confident in that voice? And there’s so much that’s a big question. You’re so right. I I agree with you with

this last thought. And you know, also I have planets in the 12th house. So certainly it’s not easy to just show

like you know your authentic self just like from one day to the other. It takes time and courage and

a lot of work. No, maybe for other people it’s easier. No, but certainly for 12 house people probably not

so well. I’m like actually surprised that it’s hard for you. Like you seem so natural like it. Absolutely.

Yes. Yeah. So it is it’s that it’s like you found your sweet spot. You like you’re good at asking people questions. You’re

good at probing. You’re good at like you know doing that and eliciting so that then you do that and then maybe someday

you’ll feel comfortable being in another role but it might just take time. Yeah. Wow. Coming from you. Thank you so

much and thank you so much for you guys that you’ve been here and thanks for showing up Amanda again. Thank you so

much. Really hope to have you back to keep talking about your journey, your chart. if you want to share something

with us and all your business advice for us who are, you know, in the astrology community and thanks for creating

astrology hub once again. Oh, it’s my pleasure. Thank you. Thank you guys and see you in the next

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