Ari Moshe Wolfe Tells His Story | Backstage Astrology Interview

Welcoming Ari

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I struggled with years years with an immense amount of guilt.

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It can simply be like after a session or um you know teaching a class on I used

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to do a lot of EA Zoom meetings. Right. Right. Where I would notice afterwards that I said something that I didn’t

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really understand or maybe I said something true but my energy was like up

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here and it didn’t feel authentic and then I felt a lot of guilt. Right? And in some cases this led to such a torture

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where one of the reasons why I was hesitant for many years to teach my own training

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program was because of that that core dynamic. I didn’t want to record

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anything. I didn’t want to get myself on video because of a strong tendency to actually sort of disconnect from

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authenticity. And then the guilt that that would generate and the like the immense amount

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of do I have to delete it, do I have to re like there’s a lot of internal self-criticism that I would say throughout my entire career most people

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would probably not even recognize was ever even there. [Music]

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Welcome to Backstage Astrology, where we take off the expert mask and get real.

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My name is Myra. I’m an astrology enthusiast and also a creative advisor.

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I’ve been helping astrologers with their digital stuff for a few years. And the more I get to see them behind the

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scenes, the more I realize that also our astrologers go through a lot of big

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challenges. They have big fears, big insecurities. I always wonder what it

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was to be an astrologer. How their lives look like really behind all the cosmic

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wisdom. I always had this question of like how is your life really and also obviously if you can make a living out

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of astrology. So in this new series I’m trying to talk to astrologers and to

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really understand what goes on with their lives behind the scenes all the challenges they have faced as

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astrologers before and actually this is the goal of this podcast is to create

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genuine connections with astrologers as human beings to to get to know them better. And I hope you enjoy this

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series. And if you’re an astrologer and you have a story you want to share with others, um, please just send me an

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email. I will leave all the details below. We’re going to talk about the personal struggles. And in the second

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part, we kind of dive into the transits and insights they are passionate about,

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the ones that they fear the most, the ones that they find most inspiring. I’m guessing you’re here because you love

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astrology and you admire astrologers as well. And of course, let’s get real. Let’s get real with the astrologers.

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Let’s try to uncover what happens behind the scenes. So, thank you for being here and I really hope you enjoy each

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episode.

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Hi, and welcome back to Backstage Astrology. My name is Myra and today I am honored to be with one of my favorite

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evolutionary astrologers. Ari Mosha Wolf is here with us and we are gonna talk

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about his journey. Ari, how are you today? Great. Thank you for having me, May. So, um, you know, I always ask you

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guys to introduce yourselves. Um, how would you like people to to know you? How would I like to be known? I I I

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suppose I don’t have strong preferences. Um, as an astrologer, I’m an evolutionary astrologer. I I’m trained

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in the modality of EAS taught by Jeffrey Wolf Green. Mhm. Um, so my work is all

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about looking at the transits, looking at our natal chart, looking at the dynamics in our life from that perspective of how is everything serving

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our ongoing evolutionary growth. Um, more recently, I’ll share what’s interesting. I’ve been been giving

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myself a lot more permission to bring in my own political perspective. Um, I

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think often in in the astrological world, there’s and rightfully so. I mean, there’s we don’t want to alienate

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anyone. So there’s this idea of wanting to be neutral um and and not be partisan and I don’t consider myself partisan in

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a sense of like I’m taking a side. For me it’s been this journey of for me to feel energized by my work as a teacher

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um you know and sharing in this public platform I need to feel authentic. So

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this has been a a journey for me in finding what’s authentic for me. And you

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know, you can’t interpret the the transits and separate it from what’s happening in the world. And so you

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really can’t avoid your own interpretation of what’s happening in the world. So I’ve been having a lot of fun uh just kind of pushing that edge of

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being more authentic with my perspective, knowing that not everyone will agree, but needing to really kind of claim and connect with what’s true

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for me. Besides for that, I live in Soma. I have a family here um in Sonoma,

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California and um I’m a musician. Yeah, I follow your work. I love I love

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everything and exactly I love what you’re doing right now because being authentic is important right now and we

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know uh right now in the social media wise people are craving for authenticity

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and I think what you’re doing is very brave. I cannot do that at the point right now. Um so I really admire in

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Israel. Yeah. Yeah. I really admire what you’re doing because for me it’s always I’m always separating the astrology from

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my day-to-day life. Um sometimes I do post thing, you know, a little bit of a

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story, but I think what you’re doing is extremely brave and I I think we need that and you’re an inspiration to me to

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actually maybe um start doing that a little bit more. So, thank you for that. But let’s just look back a little bit in

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your life. Um, before you were an astrologer, uh, who were you? That’s also a hard question. Well,

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I’ll never be able to to be concrete around who I I think for me, it’s always been I mean, I’m I’m very Sagittarius.

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Okay. So, these are always very these existential questions of identity. Um, it’s always been a journey for me. I

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grew up uh with this deep internal longing and desire to know what was true

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and to to to make sure I was living in in alignment with that. um grew up Jewish Background

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within a strong Jewish culture. My parents, we actually weren’t traditionally Orthodox, but we became

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more of that when I was six or so. I think I was the first I’m the youngest of four, so I was the first sibling to

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have an Orthodox bar mitzvah. Uh and I I was the child to just take it on, you

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know, studying Talmud and uh having extra study sessions with other other rabbis after school. So, I went to a

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very strong religious upbringing through through high school, from, you know, kindergarten through high school. Um, I

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cared so much about it. I cared so much about having a closeness to God. And it

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was around actually I was in uh I was in Israel I think the summer before

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10th grade and it was like a like an all summer boys learning program where we

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basically wake up really early literally learn Torah all day just like studying all day and go to sleep. I was fatigued

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but there was a a spark when there’s motivation and spark then we have a lot of energy and so I did want to learn I

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did want to study. I really developed my skills and my knowledge and my confidence in in pract in that culture

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there’s a lot of value around you know people of the book like just the the the knowledge and the wisdom of actual study

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and and sort of toiling with the knowledge with the texts but it was also around that time where I

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was you know really beginning to go through puberty and just sort of developing these human qualities

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and I had to reconcile between this like growing sexual energy and my sort of

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deepening philosophical acuity with what I was learning. And it was hard because I didn’t feel ready to question.

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It was never about um trying to conform or or fit into something. It was about I

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was so afraid that if I if I kept on questioning, if I

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really follow that, you know, that impulse towards truth, if I really went

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there, I would destabilize my entire life. It’s actually interesting. I think

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that’s um from a Jupiter point of view, I think that’s something we all if I’m

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really honest, if I really if I’m really sincere, don’t contrive it. if I don’t try to make myself something I’m not or

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contrive my experience, I’m kind of afraid of what like what if I follow this all the way and things end up not

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the way they are now. Um we we reach those thresholds in our life where um

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that’s like it’s a very Jupiter thing actually. So yeah, I began questioning and

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um it it took three years or so um of of intense existential crisis and emotional

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crisis and struggling with my humanity, with my sexuality, with my beliefs, with

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not really having anyone to talk to, right? except for like there’s this one rabbi

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um where I was questioning and talking about very very basic questions like you

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know if what does it mean that like what does it mean that God wrote the Torah like it helped me understand if I

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believe that I needed more tangibility and so I was having difficulty with making my beliefs

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concrete and accessible to me or like if the if the rabbis from 2,000 years ago have taludic you know author authority

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and power and weight over my life. Why? Like, how do I know that’s true? Why is

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that true? But I didn’t want to disrespect them. I loved them, but I also had the sense of there’s there’s a

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question here. And the answer was always pray more, study more, you know. Um, but

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I ended up really kind of living a polarized life, like a lot of

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unexpressed human teenager stuff that was just like didn’t have a context. So, it was kind of out of out of order. It

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was totally totally chaotic and ungrounded and uh very emotionally um disregulated,

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but I did my best to keep it together on the outside and and try to live a normal Jewish

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life. I was even a leader in an Orthodox community doing a lot of like networking. I was working with a special

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needs community within the Orthodox organization, bringing them into Orthodoxy and creating programming. I

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was I was functioning. I was active. I was engaged. I was sort of inspiring because I was more of a a youth leader

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but had a really um chaotic inner life. Yeah. I was a lot of things privately

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that no one knew about. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I I know. I just want to follow. Um how did you overcome that?

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What what was the breaking point? Because of course you have these two kind of like brains or personalities or

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whatever it is. I I’m assuming maybe I’m wrong that there was like a breaking point where where you said okay or was

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there a breaking point or or a crisis or something? It was. Yeah. Um I think there are a few moments there is like um

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yeah it was the end of my 12th grade year. Mhm. And literally in my 12th grade year it’s like we play the same

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archetypes but at different different stages of our lives. I was traveling in in my 12th grade year. I was I was doing

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like Orthodox Jewish stuff with that organization that I was a part of and I actually traveled throughout the United

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States and uh wrote emails and had a you know a platform.

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I I won a couple really prestigious awards at the end of that year. Um the

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kind you know within that whole organization it’s a national it’s international actually. um the kind that

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really puts you into esteem with rabbitical leadership and just opens doors for you if you are to continue on that path. Um and I felt I felt deeply

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inauthentic. Again, a Jupiter thing. I felt like I was lying, you know, like no one knew about my like sort of private

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internal life and things I was doing that I really wasn’t supposed to be doing and right the questions that I was

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having that I was kind of internally doubting the whole religion. um it was in congruent because I was

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always a compassionate, kind, caring person and so I cared. Those things were true but I wasn’t in alignment with the Culture and Religion vs. Ideology

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culture and the ideology and that broke my spirit like receiving that I was like really it really touched

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me. Um and I couldn’t I couldn’t continue on in the same way anymore. It

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was hard. So this is just before um ending high school.

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I was actually going to go to Israel. Also in my culture like you know modern Orthodox East Coast jewelry uh it’s very

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common especially for men for boys to before they go to college to spend one

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year in Israel learning in a yeshiva right and I actually got uh um what’s

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the word welcomed or um accepted into a yeshiva that’s like it’s a little more black hat which is like you know more

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more I know you know that right it’s like more a little more from like more yesish. a little more strict, right? But I

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wanted that because to me that was the opportunity to ask I I wanted a very serious and devoted and clear like I

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didn’t want ambigu. I didn’t want any kind of secularism. I didn’t want distraction. Um I I wanted a really

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clear I didn’t want girls, right? I wanted a very clear unambiguous environment where I can just completely focus on Torah study and asking

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questions and with people that are solid in their path. But I got mono for doing

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something I wasn’t supposed to do. So, I couldn’t go to Israel, but I got sick

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and ended up staying in the States. I went to Yeshiva University instead. Uh,

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which I was going to go to after my first year in Israel. And that’s a it’s a Jewish college, but also has a very

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strong secular department. So, that was like the perfect opportunity. This was during my nodal Ari’s Profound Nodal Return

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return. So, that’s like 18 and a half, 19. Mhm. Mhm. This is like everyone I

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mean this is like nodal return stories, right? Like everyone has their nodal return story. It’s really

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I think to a significant degree for a lot of souls where the core soul

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dynamics really begin to set in motion in this lifetime. There’s a huge level of maturation and spiritual growth that

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happens at that point in a person’s life. So um I have a Gemini north node.

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So, I was able to read all kinds of secular books and kind of access

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information that I I was curious about um but never studied before and have a

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lot of conversations. Even though it was a Jewish college, there were secular people there that didn’t, you know, my

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parents made me go, but I don’t really, you know, there were a lot of Jewish people as a boy school um that didn’t

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necessarily resonate with the religion, but they were still a part of the

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culture. So I was able to interact with a lot of different people, have a lot of

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conversations. It was a very mindopening experience. Mhm. And I studied, I did a

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lot of work and just really committing myself to like ask questions. But at

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that point in my life, again, a Jupiter thing, we think of Jupiter as like expansion Experiencing losses with Jupiter

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and growth, but there’s so much loss with Jupiter. Um, to become an honest person means you

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you let a lot go. So I had to be honest. I couldn’t let myself pretend to be

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something that I wasn’t. So I lost everything that whole path gone. Even in

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the beginning of my first year of college, I was still a part of this or you know

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basically the next I was a leader now as a young adult going to different college

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campuses which is like the coolest thing traveling to college campuses meeting other people, leading prayer groups,

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educating um you know and and it was authentic in the way that I I love teaching and it was an opportunity to

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bring my my teaching forward and to interpret Judaism in my authentic way and to and pray and um but I had to tell

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the rabbitical leader, I don’t know if I believe in God in the way that religion’s teaching it. like I just

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don’t know if it’s true for me and I’m having these questions and I’m I’m you

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know I’ve connected with women in in ways that are not allowed and these are the things that I’m struggling with and

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I’m not I’m not praying every day in in the traditional prayer practice and like

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I guess you can’t do this anymore you know and um and that was it and there Dissolution of Identity

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were a few moments of that over the next year or two where it was like oh I guess that’s done oh I guess that’s done a

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dissolving of a whole identity structure that was so rich and it was home for me

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of all this sagge in the fourth house, right? That was um but it wasn’t authentic and so I I

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couldn’t I couldn’t make myself um be something that I wasn’t. So I the the

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spirit of Judaism actually never left me like the the the teachings and the sort

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like the more mystical devotional qualities are very much in me but the dogma isn’t

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and it’s literally that the next couple years were just a gradual but one thing that happened during that time and I

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remember in the short you you posted I discovered that I shared this in in a recent talk with you or a few that was

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like a couple years ago when I had no gray hair. Come on. This is what the past couple years have done for me. Um, you know,

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sometimes in high school like mentionings of astrology would come up,

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but you one was not allowed to study it. So, basically, I I I turned towards astrology and just began the part of me

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that wanted to know the truth. It’s like I can’t um and this continues to this day. I

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can’t ignore it. If there’s something that is not clear or honest or I’m not

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I’m not uh looking at something that’s there or I’m being dis disingenuous about something eventually it catches up

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to my conscience and I it has to be addressed. So you know the questions

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around astrology I I I couldn’t not look there. So it’s almost like the path had its own inevitability to it in that

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impulse within my soul to continue seeking and to know the truth. Yeah. you were mentioning. Yeah, I was

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watching one of those videos we made and you mentioned that exactly that you couldn’t study astrology. There were

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some like rules to study astrology under the context you were in. And then how

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did you make that switch where where where you said okay you know what I’m just going to follow my intuition and

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study astrology the way I want. How was that switch that changed? It was

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gradual. So I actually went to Israel for a year after yeshiva university but I didn’t go to um I didn’t go to like um

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a yeshiva I went to I went to a kibbutz um again it was an orthodox kibbut but

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you know kibbut and there’s a lot more uh it was in the bchan in the baitan

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valley just near the kineret and um that provided ample opportunity for a little

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more space and freedom and discovery and then you know I left that kibbut and I actually that’s a whole journey but I I

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traveled and had a a lot of really important experiences. But during that time, there was a woman at the farm who

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introduced me to my first astrology book. I think she gave it to me or I don’t First Contact with Astrology

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know where it came from. Maybe she gave it to me. Um it was like I forgot who

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wrote it. It was called the only astrology book you’ll ever need. Very simplified popular c you know c

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culturally popular book. Mhm. Um and that was just like a very easy in I

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guess to learn the archetypes and and learn the basics of like how science planets right and the internet was

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available then that was like you know you can pretty recently in the past few years at that time Google things and

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learn you know new things like we’re literally we’re looking at like uh 22 years ago 22 23 years ago

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so um that was something that I was exploring and I remember once I met

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someone in Israel and he asked me guess what my sign was and I said Scorpio and

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I was right and I knew it because I felt the Scorpio and it was my first time

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realizing that I had an I was already developing an intuitive sense of these archetypes. Okay. And I just was I was

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interested in looking at charts. Um I joined you know tribe.net. Do you

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remember that tribe.net? No m I don’t remember. It was in it was we’re we’re we’re a similar age. So it was like it

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was before face it was like before Fster even I think it was like the early social media. Uhhuh. Where you join

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different tribes and they’re like discussion groups and there it was really cool. Wow. Okay. It was before it

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was before the craziness of the world today. Um, so Antaro Ali, really cool

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guy. He passed recently, a beautiful man, beautiful astrologer, an actor. He was leading an astrology tribe. And um,

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wow. Every once in a while he would like do for a $100 an online course with a forum and it was like a lot of a lot of

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culture, a lot of activity, a lot of posting charts. And I had the opportunity to ask questions, learn, and even share insights. And I found myself

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authentically interested in it. Just it was there. Um, I remember interacting with Zayn Stein. He’s well known for his

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research on Chiron. There’s some pretty cool people that were in that little world.

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Um, so I was just amassing books. It became a a a process. But what’s interesting is in the fall, um, October

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or so of of 2025, 2005, I became disillusioned. So I was Disillusionment

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already living on the west coast and had way too many books and I felt like there

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was so much knowledge this moment of walking um on the bridge in Olympia and

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just feeling this like heartache and like maybe like an apathy um

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yeah like like a hopelessness like a few like I’ll never be able to understand what this really is like I knew

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astrology was a Yeah, but I was a little bit disillusioned by all of the teachers and how absolute their their knowledge was.

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It felt too descriptive and I didn’t feel that it went as deep as I wanted.

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And um I I was just feeling like it it wasn’t it wasn’t meeting the longing of

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my soul for truth. And so I felt I felt like it was it was not something I can ever really know. Um and I actually I

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think gave away almost all of my books and was just letting it go. And again another we we’re authentic about Jeffrey Wolf Green

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that was literally the you know the time when uh Jeffrey Wolf Green’s work came

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into my into my awareness. I was going to ask you that because of course you were looking for like going deeper and

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that explains I guess in my humble time I know you why you chose this

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evolutionary astrology particularly with Jeffrey Wolf Green. Yeah. So, so tell me how how did you encounter his his

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teachings? Um, well, my friend my friend introduced me to his work and Adam Ginsburg who

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also was deeply inspired by Jeffrey Wolf Green’s work. So, both of those came at the same time. I studied with Adam and

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even lived with him for just being like I love his work. I love his words, his language. It felt really familiar to my

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soul. As it ends up, Adam literally grew up a few miles from where I grew up and

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his mother attended the same conservative synagogue that we attended before we became Orthodox. So like our

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families were somewhat connected. Um you know, but years later when neither of us lived there, we we met each other. So

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yeah, I apprenticed with him and really went deeply. And um I also discovered Jeff Green’s work at that time, but it

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was a little bit intimidating for me. Uh um why I read the introduction to the

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Pluto book and I was kind of angry. There was um a deep karmic

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um dynamic that emerged right in that moment. So obviously I have you know

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history with this soul um many past lives like there’s there’s a there’s a deep familiarity

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and and probably some unresolved karmic residue. So I felt jealous when he when

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I read those words I felt like I should have written that and so I felt in I felt jealous and I

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felt inadequate. Mhm. Like I was far from where I knew I could be. And so

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reading the clarity and like it resonated so deeply with an intuitive knowing that that it just brought up too

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much for me. kind of like a Virgo sort of like um it it it reflects too much

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what I know I could do but I don’t want to get started because the I’ll I’ll realize my imperfections and

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inadequacies continuously. Wow. Um and for me that was a big it’s been an

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important part of my soul work in this lifetime and kind of the theme I’ve been

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expressing learning how to only speak what I know. And I think there’s been a pattern for

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me as I understand it. There’s been a pattern for me in prior lives of kind of

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adopting this teacher persona and maybe taking other people’s works or teachings

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and uh representing it as my own but not necessarily having realized it or having convinced myself to know something that

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I didn’t really know. So there’s been a dynamic around that. And so to be humbled by this deep wisdom that felt

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really alive in my soul, but to actually eventually realize the immensity of this

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wisdom and allow myself to receive it and learn it and and become an authentic student of this work. That that was a

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very important and necessary part of my own journey. It’s interesting because it resonates with this part of me that was

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disillusioned by the the nature of the teachers and the the the teachings um

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where it didn’t quite reach deep enough for me. And then when I found something that was very deep, it actually wasn’t

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just knowledge, it was actually a soul path. Mh. um that would really help me

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to learn how to be a more honest person, how to cultivate, you know, more sincerity, um more openness and more

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sincerity, more humility in my own learning. And so that just became a path that I never intended to become an

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evolutionary astrologer. I never even intended to make a business out of it. It was just again that impelling like

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here’s something authentic and I have to go there. So Adam certified me in 2008

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and then I I dived after then full on into the EA school.

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Again, not even with the intention to become certified, just because I knew in my soul there was an integrity piece. I

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I knew that that was something for me to study and learn. I was definitely the most active student on the online forum

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for several years. The old evolutionary astrology uh message board which ran for

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many years and I just felt like it was like an ashram for me. It was an opportunity for me to study and learn

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and ask as many questions and practice earnestly. I’m going to spend hours with a practice assignment really trying to

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integrate the knowledge and referencing the teachings. And so yeah, it just became a real uh sincere path for me.

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Yeah, it’s beautiful what you’re saying because I mean I was going to ask a silly question maybe because you were Path to Authenticity

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saying I just want to um you know build your own truth basically and share the

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the teachings that resonate with me and not like grab from someone else and just

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you know put it in my own words which is something that you know we today in the media we see that a lot. So my question

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is going to be very silly, but how do you do that? What daily practices

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took you there to to be authentic to yourself, honest, um humble? Uh really,

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maybe it’s a silly question, but I really I’m really curious to know more about that.

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I’m not sure. Here’s what I’m able to access. Um, I

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know what it’s like to live my day, to either feel alienated, to feel

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disconnected, to feel like I’m somewhere else, to be doing work, or to be saying something where I don’t feel like I’m

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actually like in it. I because I know what it’s like to feel in it, right? I know what it’s like to feel

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um that what I’m saying or what I’m doing is congruent with where I am right now, like in a relationship, right? to

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say yes to something and to feel that yes versus a say yes to something and to not really feel the yes. Um I struggled

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with years years with an immense amount of guilt.

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It can simply be like after a session or um you know teaching a class on I used

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to do a lot of EA Zoom meetings. Right. Right. where I would notice afterwards that I said something that I didn’t

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really understand or maybe I said something true but my energy was like up

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here and it didn’t feel authentic and then I felt a lot of guilt right and in some cases this led to such a torture

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where one of the reasons why I was hesitant for many years to teach my own training

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program was because of that that core dynamic. I didn’t want to record anything. I didn’t

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want to get myself on video because of a strong tendency to actually sort of

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disconnect from authenticity and then the guilt that that would generate and the like the immense amount of do I have

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to delete it, do I have to re like there’s a lot of internal self-criticism that I would say throughout my entire career most people would probably not

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even recognize was ever even there. Um, so that was a very torturous process.

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Um, and I think the answer that I’m able to access, it’s just been the journey of earnestly wanting to feel free,

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wanting to feel like there’s not some kind of like unresolved residue of

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something that’s that’s that’s icky, inongruent, unclear, untrue, dishonest,

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not fully authentic. Um so that desire then impels me as much as I remember it

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to create the space to anchor my mind in my prayer in my devotion and who I want

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to be in my intentions for the day um asking for help

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and um the practices that I do are the practices that I do and that’s not so

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relevant but it’s it’s the the intention you know and my my my right orientation

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I think is the most important thing. It’s easy to go into an experience without that right orientation

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and then to find myself lost or kind of outside of my authentic experience. So

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like when I do sessions, I always pray in the beginning and it’s just like taking a moment to connect with the the

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purpose, the intention to to connect with what’s alive in me like what am I working with right now? Kind of bring that forward inside and kind of offer

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that up as healing in the space, you know? So that’s that’s a big part of the work. Let me see if there’s another piece there.

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Yeah. I mean, just your question is helping me remember how real and important that is for me to

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to come back to purpose, to come back to right intention and attitude. I think that’s the main piece for me. Wow. Becoming an Astrologer

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Amazing. So beautiful. And when when was the moment where you realized that you

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were coming to be an astrologer? Because maybe you didn’t even realize, I don’t know, where you said like, “Oh, wait a

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minute. People are actually inviting me to things.” Or how how was that realization? Not sure. It’s a good

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question. Um, I was charging money for it. um as as

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early you know as almost like 18 years ago I think I was s charging for sessions back in 2008

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2006 you know yeah 2006 2007 even when I was maybe maybe I began charging in in

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2008 yeah I don’t I don’t know if it was an in yeah then I then I made business

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oh you know what it was interestingly enough I went to this mastermind intensive workshop

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um one of those like how to how to become a million in there, you know, actually had a lot of it felt it felt

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pretty cultish in retrospect. Um, but there was a lot of really great advice and a lot of good teachings around

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self-esteem and self- value and that it really motivated me to sort of step into okay this is a business. Yeah, that was

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around like 2008 2009 and um but even like what it means for me the my

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understanding of the business has evolved drastically and continues to as I you know having a family so like you

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know five five and a half six years ago that was a huge turning point for me right where it actually became like okay

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it’s not just like me it’s actually like an income generating business it’s not just like sure I’ll you know living in

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my van get paid when I do it’s fine I don’t need So then that’s pushed me to actualize on a completely new level and and to

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cultivate more confidence and heal a lot of my fears of not being an honest person and my guilt and all that kind of

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stuff. Wow. Wow. And so when did you realize you were an evolutionary

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astrologer? Um oh maybe I always knew I was an evolutionary astrologer

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from the from the beginning like the philosophy that the perspective aligned. Interestingly, may I at some point maybe

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in 2015 I took I took the title evolutionary astrology reading off of my

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services because I realized well I’m not giving an evolution like I’m reading the chart

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with an evolutionary astrology training uh an orientation but what I’m doing in

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a session isn’t an evolutionary astr like that was a I couldn’t find that to be true so I changed the name of my

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services to intuitive guidance sessions which feels more accurate to you know I’m I’m in a space of guidance and in

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intuitive connection and I’m using my my skills in EA but it’s not like I’m here

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to because people are emailing me this is a part of the authentic piece people were emailing me with questions with

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this expectation I’m an astrologer um so tell me these things about me

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and I I was exhausted it met the part of me that um self-pressured to have answers which then led to saying things

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that I didn’t really understand or know or or just kind of being more in a in a mental space but not in a connected

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space. I’m feeling very depleted and I realized, oh, I need to free myself of

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this expectation that if you get a session with me, I’m going to answer your questions, you know, according to

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this idea of like an astrologer giving information. So, I then shifted it to every session is a soul healing session

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and you have to give me what is alive in your soul. I need to feel your authentic

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inquiries, your challenges, your prayers, your intentions. And then I take that and I pray with that and I go

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inside with that and I meet that as another soul on on his journey. And that’s a lot more real for me than like

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giving information from a chart, you know. Wow. That’s so it’s always been I’m an EA astrologer, but I don’t

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necessarily, you know, um make that the thing that I’m doing. It is it is the roots of my work. It is my training.

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It’s what I teach in my training program, but even then it’s there’s there’s my own way of carrying it. So

36:04

interesting. Okay. So, so when you prepare for consultations because you

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know it can be emotionally a challenge for for some astrologers maybe because

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what do you do to to draw boundaries if you do? Um and so you don’t take the the

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you know problems or challenges the person is facing or how do you deal with that? It’s cool. I I I almost never I I

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seldomly have that kind of issue. Um I know a lot of people have that kind of I

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think the the clarity of the boundary is in the clarity of my intention for what the space is for. Um

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the struggle that maybe I had was the um thinking I needed to answer every

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question and sort of be this person for someone. Mhm. As I’ve been letting go of that identity or that role and trusting

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my own leadership and my own intention and my own purpose, whatever comes up,

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whatever it is, I come back to my purpose. I come back to my intention and

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I don’t I don’t believe that I have the answer. I don’t I don’t already think that I’m supposed to know what to do.

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There’s a lot of looking inside, you know. I mean there’s an experience with

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some time ago where one person had a and this has happened many times where a person might have deep emotional

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triggers right might come up and so it’s following what’s what’s the calling for the moment it may not be about like hey

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wait I got to tell you these things it might be just to pause and be present with them

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and intuitively ask if they’re open when the time is right you know would you

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like me to continue speaking or do you want me to pause or I have a reflection that’s arising. Would you like to hear

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it? Um, I always rec and this is healing for

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my soul. I always stop and reconnect with the individual, you know, check in with them and their energy oftentimes

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verbally, just to make sure it’s landing to give them the space to communicate, to invite.

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But it’s like if they have a qu or if they’re if they’re, you know, let’s say they’re they’re they’re having they have a lot of pain and they’re just needing

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right a lot of people might come help me, heal me, save me. I just don’t join them there. That’s not what I’m here

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for. And I have no problems jumping in and saying, “Hey, let me just stop you there. I I I get the essence of what

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you’re bringing forward and let’s just sit for a moment. Are you okay with me tuning in and offering some reflections

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now?” Right? I I take the energy back into the domain of my leadership because that’s my role. And sometimes people

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just really need a person to hold clear boundaries and say, “This is what we’re doing. This is the space.” And not

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necessarily cave into um sort of that that the empath kind of dynamic of I need to make you feel

38:53

better. It’s not about that for me. So yeah, I think just staying clear in the prayer is the is the bottom line that

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that’s important. And talking about this, um have you ever encountered any

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challenging client where they didn’t, you know, they didn’t end up happy with

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a a session or something and how do you cope with those situations? Yeah, love it. Um,

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in in all the cases where that’s come up, it’ll often be, you know, maybe something I said that

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felt hurtful or alienating or, you know, or like, oh, I really wanted to talk about this, but we didn’t, you know, and

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I feel regret, right? So, you know, if it feels right, I might invite them to articulate that and, you know, or I say,

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you know, let’s set up another session to explore that, right? If there’s like a criticism about me, I I I have no

39:45

problem with that. I want them to feel the space to articulate what their problem was. Whether it’s right or not,

39:52

doesn’t matter. I want them to be fully expressed. Um, so I want to be able to hear what it

40:00

was like from their experience, what their complaint is, what their issue is. That’s my purp,

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right? um if it’s really deep, you know, and it could be like I said something that

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either they misunderstood or I wasn’t emotionally attuned. I can very easily

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um mistakenly not realize the impact of certain words at times and that used to

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happen a lot more happens a lot less. But that’s that’s occurred, you know. Um and then it’s in my full desire to

40:31

actually be able to learn from that and say, “Oh, you’re right. I really in most cases if a person has a complaint

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usually there’s some feedback for me where I could have been more thoughtful or present or attuned and I think in

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every single situation it’s been healing in every single instance where there’s something unresolved for the individual

40:49

if there’s a calling for me to hear them they just really needed to feel heard relative to some part of their soul that

40:55

was triggered right and so maybe in the past they haven’t had the opportunity to feel respected and it’s vulnerable to

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like go to a a teacher mentor type person, right? And say, “Hey, this bothered me.” Um, because I might be

41:08

like, “It doesn’t matter, right? It could be very easy to be rejected.” I think most people

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um if they’re being triggered by something, there might be a past of having been hurt in that way in the past

41:19

by teacher, counselor type people. Yeah. Yeah. So, to meet that and show them that I care and that actually it’s it’s

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a part of my own path too is really important. And I see every session as a shared healing. So, that’s a part of the

41:32

boundary. Like I don’t I don’t think of my sessions as I’m giving something to someone else. I see it as if I can be in

41:40

service to your soul by authentically loving and caring and really wanting to know where your growth is. I’m going to

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heal just by way of that orientation. I’m going to receive and I do receive so much. There’s so much learning and

41:52

insight that I can then take into my own life. Every single session is about that. So if something comes up

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afterwards, yeah, I just really pray and tune in tune in on that level. That’s beautiful. I I think how you

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approach your readings and your classes and even your YouTube channel. I mean, there is a reason why we all feel drawn

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to certain key teachers or astrologers, but I I really like the the way you the

42:15

authenticity, the the the being real kind of thing, which is what this podcast intends to do. So, changing

42:23

gears a little bit, Arie, has there ever been a moment up until today where you

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have doubted astrology and you said, you know what, like this is not working.

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This is not paying the bills. This is not my thing or or not. Not not really. Mhm. Yeah. Um I would say

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I’ve often wondered where it’s going to go for me.

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It feels like it’s been really important, really helpful for me along this whole path in in just really helping me heal a lot of my own

42:58

dynamics, come into a relationship to study and learning in an authentic way, learning how to be a teacher in an honest way, actualizing my confidence

43:05

and my clarity of of thinking, and then how I’m able to use it as an instrument to to serve others. It’s just been so so

43:12

helpful, so so useful, and I’m just immensely grateful for Jeff Green. And it’s almost felt like

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it’s all a path that eventually will have its own end. And I don’t know if that means

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I won’t teach or I won’t do sessions, but everything needs to be played out

43:33

completely until it’s until it’s played out. And I know that my my own journey

43:38

is going to continue and there are more thresholds to explore. Uhhuh. You know, for example, like on the on the journey

43:44

of learning, there was a a phase where it was about learning the the content,

43:49

right? And then practicing and then teaching, right? And but that that fell away and it came more into, okay, I have

43:55

that knowledge, but not like I’ve learned at all or I know it perfectly. It’s more like the energy or the fuel to

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continue studying kind of just waned and now I have to teach and and create and

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share. And that became a way of integrating my learning. And that that phase of teaching has gotten bigger and bigger and bigger where it’s helping me

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clarify like the thing that I teach reflects the threshold of the the

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knowledge and wisdom that I’m seeking to integrate and kind of ground. Once that’s integrated, it takes me to a new

44:25

level, new dimension. And I think I just had to play it out. like my internal guidance is I need to really step into

44:32

this path of teaching um strengthening my voice, strengthening my confidence and to see where that

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goes. I feel like there’s also a calling for me to step into more teaching um that isn’t necessarily just for an

44:44

astrology audience. Right. Right. And that that’s something that I’m called to explore. I’ve been doing a little writing on that um to allow more of my

44:52

own learning to be accessible but not just to those that only want astrology. Yeah. See, I think there’s it’s going to

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continue to unfold. That’s in terms of doubt. Not so much doubt, more so more so a

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like it’s a hard thing to translate because I feel like I’m doing it to go

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all the way and complete it and play it out and let it go and see what’s next. Um, as opposed to like I this ambition

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to become someone. I I feel it’s more like I’m learning how to embrace the

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ambition to become someone because I understand that it’s necessary along the journey. I’ve actually

45:31

resisted. I would say for the most part I’ve had always a little bit of like one foot out

45:36

of the door, like a little bit of an uncommittal relationship to astrology and my teaching path. not wanting to be

45:42

stuck, not wanting to be too defined, not wanting to be overly identified as this, right? Not wanting to get myself

45:48

stuck in an inauthentic thing. And actually, it’s been the opposite where I have to step more into it to be

45:53

authentic, to to learn how to be authentic, and to kind of fully let that blossom. Oh my god, Arie, that is so I

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don’t know because I was thinking that I’ve been following you for a few years now and I remember last like two years

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ago your channel had like few followers and suddenly you were telling me oh I’m you know I’m with this challenge and I

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think the moment you became or decided make the decision to be authentic now

46:21

the the channel has grown a lot you know so I don’t know if there is a relation there how do you feel about that? Yeah.

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I mean, it’s like, okay, I want to be authentic, but also it’s the choice to actually make this work. That’s like

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that’s like the the Mars, okay, a thing that’s often lacking on the spiritual path, right? It’s like almost like this

46:38

materialism or spirituality. Yeah. And I’ I I’ve been reconciling with that my whole life. um to actually consciously

46:47

claim I want to be successful, I want to grow my following, I want to make money

46:53

means I must become more authentic as I grow myself. Like it and that’s if I

46:59

want to be more successful, I have to become more of myself. Otherwise, I’m going to be playing the business game

47:05

and feel like a liar, like I’m just doing it for for the likes, you know? Um, so I’ve had to claim that as a

47:12

conscious willful intention and I was sure I just had this great

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session with my friend Joe G, amazing guy. Um, he’s he’s a really skilled

47:23

astrologer in his own right, but he did this business review where he like went through my channel like what are my weak

47:29

points, how can I improve? Like I don’t even understand SEO. He explained SEO to me. These are like new literally new

47:36

things for me. I’ve always felt intimidated by it, you know. So, yeah, that’s that’s where my soul growth is

47:41

right now. And in cooperating more with like putting forward intentional,

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willful I’m going to make this work. I’m going to actively try. This is an intention. This is a goal. This is an

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agenda, you know? Yeah. Beautiful. Um, okay. So, what is one misconception

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people often have about you when they first meet you as an astrologer? Let’s just change gears here and, you know,

48:06

Because you know we are in this community but people that are not in this community language of astrology

48:12

sometimes when we say oh my husband you know oh my wife is an astrologer you know they get we get a look we get a an

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impression a face how was it for you or or is for you still like when people

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find out that I’m an astrologer yeah like your family friends or the the

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parents at at your kids school oh I mean typical no one understands Right. No, no

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one gets it. I imagine everyone had I mean with rare exception, right? No one has a clue what this work is like. I

48:43

don’t think anyone in my family really understands. Oh, really? Um, are you the first astrologer in your family? Yeah. I

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mean, obviously I’m I’m kind of walking a very different path. Um,

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no one’s asked me to explain it. I don’t have a a deep need to. Like, I’m not I don’t I don’t I’m not worried about it.

49:02

Yeah. I I I’m know I’m loved and you know but I don’t think I’m understood

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and when I you know I met a guy in the steam room at the gym a couple days ago. Yeah. Yesterday. Uhhuh. And um you like

49:17

when you meet someone and you feel like you want to talk to them but you don’t know how to bridge it. You don’t want to

49:23

bother them. I really felt like I wanted to talk to this guy. Um but he made he

49:28

he felt it too. He said the first thing you know I forgot what he said. Oh, he’s like, “Oh, it’s really good to meditate.” He’s telling me like sitting

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quietly. He’s like, “Oh, it’s really good to meditate.” I’m like, “Okay, cool.” He wants social connection. I’m like, “I engage. You know, where are you

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from?” “What do you do? I’m an astrologer.” And he’s like, “Oh.” And and this is the

49:46

moment, right? Like, let’s see it. It’s to It’s either Oh, how do you do that?

49:53

And I know what they’re thinking. They’re thinking astronomy, not astrology.

49:59

when they say how do you do that they’re thinking it’s like science astronomy right um that’s one answer or the other

50:06

is like oh you know so like this is about you know where a person was born

50:11

and all that kind of stuff right so I got the ladder and he asked me to explain my work there’s there’s some trucks in the background do you is it

50:17

okay the background noise I don’t hear anything oh great this is a good microphone I got so um that’s good to

50:24

know so yeah he he was very interested and and he said actually. Oh, you know,

50:30

my my sister got a reading with an astrologer a long time ago. She’s really into that stuff. And he said she said

50:35

that the astrologer said that she was a pharaoh in Egypt in a past life. And so that that brought up reincarnation and

50:41

my perspective on past lives and how I work with a chart with respect to past lives. And um yeah, it was cool. I gave

50:47

him my card at the end of the day. Oh wow. I walked naked out of the out of the steam room to go to the locker and

50:53

and like here take my card. So it was a fun interaction. Um there’s always like

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yeah it’s always a mixed bag but it’s rare and precious when someone takes genuine interest. I don’t really know

51:05

many people where I live in Soma like there aren’t a lot I don’t have person I

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very very seldom do I have like an inerson client. It just doesn’t happen because my business is online. So when

51:16

I’m in the world it’s like with my kids with the synagogue with you know pushing a kid at a park on a a swing. So people

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don’t have a relationship to my work when I in the rare case and there’s a lot of more conservative people here. So

51:29

in the rare case that I have a conversation there’s interest. It’s very delightful for me to have an inerson interaction. That’s why and I would love

51:36

for you to come and do this sometime may it’s like to attend a conference my first conference ever uh since well The Magic of Astrology Conferences

51:43

there’s an EA conferences I did in person a while ago but my first like public conference uh since 2006 where I

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I was attended I I taught at Norwak in Seattle that was so much fun wow to meet

51:55

people and of course having a platform it’s like people know you and it’s like wow people that’s so touching and they’re saying thank you for your work

52:01

you know but meeting other astrologers other people that are interested in this work and being a part of that community.

52:07

It’s very precious and rare I think for a lot of astrologers. I’m curious if this is also I’m assuming right it’s

52:13

like you don’t meet a lot of people in person that you can talk to about the kind of work that we do. Yeah. Yeah,

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it’s funny because people think we do, but where where I live in in Israel, um

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I don’t know. I I just know only one in in give a time that he was my teacher

52:30

for a while. I’m a brilliant guy, but I don’t I don’t see him often. So, it’s

52:35

the same experience. So, when I go to conferences, I am in Disney World, you know. It’s like everything we’re talking

52:42

about the same thing. Everyone understands the language, you know. I say Mercury, they understand. I say Libra, they know and and it’s all these

52:50

connections and people are using it differently. There is the medical tribe, there is the evolutionary tribe and and

52:57

I mean I love going to conferences not because I mean of course because of the teachings because of course we’re going

53:03

to hear some some of you guys but the connections and the mingling and the eating together and sitting together and

53:11

I think it’s it’s really like therapy for me in a way. I don’t know how you feel about that. I have to find out from

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which conference. I want to go to more. I’m like, this was great. So, I got to find out from which conferences because I don’t really know of. Yeah, there are

53:24

so many. Yeah. I just wanted to ask um about your business. How do you handle Real Life: Handling the Astro Business

53:30

being a partner, being a parent, being an astrologer, I mean, and your

53:35

business? What are the challenges you’re currently facing as an astrologer? Like with a business? Um

53:45

time management, energy management, being having more responsibility

53:52

um as a partner, as a father, and just tending to all the beings in my

53:59

life, right? And earnestly wanting my energy to be clear and to to just be present like to be present with my kids

54:06

when I’m with them, to not be somewhere else, to not to not have work on my mind or unresolved emails to read. Then I

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know what it’s like to I would say this is the challenge that’s been most prevalent is maybe the end of the day

54:18

comes it’s 5 5:30 and I don’t feel like I’m done. I think a backlog of work and

54:23

I know tomorrow I’m going to be teaching and doing sessions all day and I won’t be able to catch up on it or I didn’t finish the video or the newsletter I

54:30

wanted to send out and I know when I’m going to next get to it will be three days and the energy or the inspiration might be gone. Right? So, um,

54:39

structuring my life and co-creatively structuring with Michelle to support me

54:44

to have the right kind of space to get the

54:49

work done that I need to get done. And I think for me like learning boundaries has been a huge lesson for me. Like when

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I started off, I did not have that skill at all really. Um, really learning how

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to be not available. Uh, so that when I am here, I am available. learning say this is work

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time. I’m not available. You know, um those kinds of simple relational skills.

55:12

Um defining my time and what I’m doing with my time. I think that morning time is really important to kind of get my

55:19

mind straight and clear and kind of connect with what’s my intention, what’s my workflow, setting a really clear schedule, working with Michelle around

55:25

the schedule and our shared needs to make it work ideally as best as possible for everyone.

55:31

Yeah, it’s an ongoing process. I think to do that I have to have my priorities straight.

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Yeah. So my priorities are I want to be fully present, emotionally available and

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joyful with my kids. My priorities I want to enjoy my business and my work and be successful at it and feel energy

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for it. Okay. What do I have to do or when when am I going to eat? Well, probably do intermittent fasting on most

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days because that helps me with my energy. Okay. uh workout in the morning most of the time you know certain things

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or or chanting just like certain things that are helpful for me kind of generating chi and energy and you know

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to have certain rhythms that are guidelines for the most part of how I like to behave

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so that I’m you know clear that there’s and what you know most people with a business like what are the best times of

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day to do certain things right so my my mind’s fresh in the morning really good for like taking care of the email stuff

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and then kind of getting into the creative flow. Towards the afternoon, I can do a lot more um relational work.

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But honestly, that’s that’s a good time where I can just sort of do other loose ends. And it’s great if I can structure

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my days where I’m just following the flow and the rhythms and the timing of things and learn like I need to have breaks where I

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just walk or do nothing with no intention or have my phone with me in case I want to make a video in some random location. Um you know, things

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like that. I’m a sad. So, I need to be able to structure space in my day for a lot of freedom and spontaneity and

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unplanned energy so that I can feel into what wants to happen. And learning how

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to do that while also creating structures, you know, and that includes honestly days where I’m just not at home where

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learning how to create more space where I’m supported to like leave for a night, which I only recently began doing. Like

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having actual time where literally a 24-hour period of no plan. Um, yeah,

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it’s an ongoing journey of just being able to create more of all of the nutrients that our emotion needs to get

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all the things done that are important to feel source and nourished in his life and I’m still figuring that out. Yeah. I

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wanted to yeah to ask you because now that you that you’re sharing about the for example the inspiration no where you

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know you want to write a newsletter or a blog or whatever and you have that but then you know something happens you need

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to go somewhere and then it’s it’s cut out cut out exactly the most recent

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newsletter that I’m sorry for like the most recent newsletter that I wrote on cancer like Jupiter and I sent out the email yesterday Jupiter and Cancer I

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literally wrote it a week and a half ago but I wasn’t able to like edit it and so I just and then I came back to it two

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days ago to look through it like one art one created project sometimes one video might be a whole week. Yes. Because I I

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can’t force myself to completion if my creative energy has waned if I’ve had to distract

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you know and so it’s just there’s a sort of intuitive process where I also surrender to it and allow it to be as

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well. I love that because that makes me feel better. I’m selfish. No really

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because sometimes I feel the same. is like, okay, I have this Saturn video. It’s been sitting there and I need to finish, but if I don’t have the

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not not even the the k the energy, the inspiration, how am I supposed to sit and tell them

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something when I’m not even like I don’t know, but you you get me. I’m sure you get me completely. And and the fact I

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don’t have the energy uh but I want to do it. It’s like it’s not just about not

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doing something. It’s also how do I nurture the conditions because you know life is showing up for things that you

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don’t always feel right. So there’s also a learning for me around you know I’m going to do a session I’m going to teach. So it’s it’s cording the

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energetic state of of attunement and that means creating the internal environment and the practices to help me

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get in there. Yes. As opposed to just I can’t just be free and be like I’m only going to do things when I feel it. Plus

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doesn’t work. How do I actually you know cultivate that momentum? Sometimes just cleaning up. Yeah. You know, cleaning up

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and taking a walk and just sort of breathing with the intentions and allowing it to like re-emerge in my

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consciousness is very helpful. Yeah. Yeah. I get you. I mean, there are things we need to do because we have a

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business and you know, I don’t like doing the accounting, but you know, I it’s a mindset and okay, I’m going to

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put some music, make a coffee, and then just go on with the numbers, you know. So, we need to do that. But yeah, when

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it comes to the creative process, especially when you’re going to give information about a transit and and you

1:00:02

want you to speak your own truth, that that takes time in in, you know, it just

1:00:08

doesn’t come out. And and I think that’s something people not always get like the

1:00:14

the viewers because they’re like, “Where is your video from this week?” And I’m like, “Well, it’s it’s still in the

1:00:19

oven, but you know.” So anyway, everyone has different process. And lastly,

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Addie, what would you tell the next generation of astrologers

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if you if you could give them a message or or something?

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When something is new, it’s more generalized. And you know, like 30 years ago was

1:00:42

like, oh, you’re studying astrology. Now it’s like, okay, you’re studying astrology, but like what kind?

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And and the more we get into something, the more we uh listen to something and feel into something, the more intricate

1:00:53

and nuanced and unique it is in all of its expressions. And so in your path

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towards astrology or studying astrology, it’s actually it’s real, it’s powerful, it’s imminent, it’s alive, it’s helpful,

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and there’s so many different paths and orientations and ways of utilizing it. So if you’re drawn towards it, really

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honor and trust what your soul is drawn towards the the teachings, the modalities, the teachers, the the ways

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of working with it that you’re called to because that’s where astrology as a whole is growing and developing and

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really becoming more real and applicable in the world. It’s going to become a lot more integrated and this next generation

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is really going to take it on in this way and it’s because we’re seeing it as a real thing. So truly honor your

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calling and your path and there are amazing schools out there that can really solidly train you in the path that you’re called to. Yeah, trust it as

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a real calling. Thank you Arie. Thanks for their time and thanks for opening up and you know telling us about your

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personal amazing stories and you’re really like honoring journey. I have to say I’m I’m really happy you know that

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our paths crossed and I hope to have you again because I still have some more questions but you know we need to honor

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the time. Okay, Ari, thank you so much and let’s touch. Thank you everyone and

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see you next in the next episode.