Nadiya Shah: How Killing the “Madonna Dream” Created a YouTube Astrology Pioneer

Thank you. You are so kind.

Yeah. And I can send that to you like the full um well in case um just in case you know because usually everything works well

but you know sometimes it happens you know it happened to me with Rick Lavine I think he said I I will record it just in case

and and I was like thank god you recorded it because I I don’t know what happened and so he sent me the interview but thank you so much and you’re right this

place is iron. It’s like a paradox. It’s like an irony. I don’t know how to call it, but um it’s what you’re saying. I

also don’t get it. I mean, I’m I’m I’m Christian Catholic and you know, when you see all these um violence happening

and at the same time I was the other day at the Mount of Olives praying, right?

So, it’s just so crazy. I don’t know even how to describe it. And so, what brought you there? So,

so I will turn off my camera at certain points. Like actually when I’m vaping, I turn off the camera because I don’t want any evidence of that.

No, don’t worry. I will edit the video and take the best parts of course. And anyway, no, I I my husband is Israeli. So,

okay. Yeah. So, that’s why I ended up here. Um,

yeah. So, that’s And is it interfaith? Is it an interfaith relationship? Is he Jewish or is he also Catholic?

Um, no. He well on paper he says he’s Jewish but he’s not practicing he’s he’s

more like an atheist you say in English like um atheist. Yeah. Yeah.

Atheist. Yeah. He he’s not attached to anything but he follows certain traditions you know Jewish and this kind

of thing. I also follow them because as long as it brings something good into my life, you know, I I I practice it or but

no, I’m more religious in the sense that I I do pray. I do go to Jesus stuff and he comes with me.

So yeah, but um yeah, I don’t know. I I don’t understand what’s going I don’t I don’t know if I will ever understand um you know what I what we’ve been through

with the war and and how crazy it is to to be in a war and then people live just

normal like I’m like how can you we just had a boom right like and they just go back to normal like and I’m still like

recovering for days and h it’s I don’t know I still need to digest a lot of things. Yeah.

But um but I these interviews have helped me so much because you know I I can think of something else. I can you

know talk to people that are like like-minded and anyway so Nadia I wanted to just ask you um because if there is

any question that you don’t want to answer or you tell me Myra you know don’t don’t put that part please tell me

because you know backstage I’m going to ask you about who was Nadia before maybe you want to share like um the most

challenging transit you’ve ever experienced um stuff like that but if there’s there’s anything that you don’t feel comfortable, please just tell me my

no and I will cut it and I just leave the best parts. I mean, you’ve done millions of interviews, so it’s going to be hard to actually ask you something

that nobody has asked you before, but um I’m more interested in in not the other

person, which you are naturally very authentic. I think in your channel you have shared with us stories about your past, about your life. Um but before we

start, let me just remind the audience what Nadia Sha has done for us in the astrology community. So from what I found on my research and collecting pieces here and there. First of all,

welcome back to Backstage Astrology. My name is Mariam Medina and I am thrilled to be with Nadia Sha, astrologer,

professional astrologer, internet personality, YouTuber, teacher, friend,

you know. So she didn’t just follow astrology. Let me tell you, she helped define how astrology is seen online.

Nadia, you are an award-winning astrologer, an author, and a voice that has helped shape how astrology is

experienced in the digital age. You hold a master’s degree in the cultural cultural study of cosmology and divination.

And um because for you, astrology has never just been information. It’s been a way

of understanding it itself and understanding ourselves. So I love that part of you. You often spoken about discovering meaning through astrology

and in many ways you have helped others do the same and the most interesting part for me is that you are a pioneer of video astrology. You were one of the

first. But before YouTube became what it is today, you were already showing up in different you know different ways. You

build your voice through internationally syndicated horoscopes, grounding your work in traditional media and credibility. And you are part of the

first generation that didn’t just practice astrology online, you normalized it. So you opened the way for

many of us to start talking about astrology on YouTube. And you’re also the founder of Synchronicity University

as well. So you’ve been evolving from content to authority to institution

and well we know you just didn’t build a personal brand you build an ecosystem an entire ecosystem and today you continue

to bring astrology into the world as a guiding force for self-standing empowerment and conscious living. So

after all these words for all of those who don’t know Natasha welcome very nicely said. Wow. How are you? I’m

impressed with me right now. Like I didn’t even think about all of that. But thank you for that. Thank you.

No, I was trying to find like a brief way to introduce you, but you’ve done so many things, so many interesting things and you opened the way for a lot of us to actually normalize these topics of,

you know, astrology as a practice and esoteric practice. However you want to see it, you opened the way for us on YouTube. And I want to thank you for

that because you’ve been on YouTube since what is it 2008 n?

2008. Yeah. Yeah. I launched my channel back then and at the time there were very very few of us as astrologers. I

remember just a small number. And uh I I don’t think anybody really thought like

oh this is going to become a thing or whatever. I just knew for me like I really wanted to share. I really wanted

to empower myself and I I just didn’t want to wait for a gatekeeper and I saw which ways the energy was going. You

know, I remember saying back when we had those squares of Uranus and Pluto with Pluto and Capricorn and Uranus and Aries

and that was between 2010 and 2013. I think that’s when that was really active. And I remember saying at the time before that aspect even kicked in,

this is going to be the the dawn of many empires. This is going to be the end of the gatekeepers.

And that’s exactly what happened. And of course, at the time when I said it, I didn’t think necessarily about the tools and how that would come about, but it’s

incredible to see that that’s exactly what we have now is like mini empires everywhere. No need for a gatekeeper at

all. And I think there’s a lot of promise with that. I love that because it’s like people I think people are looking for themselves. That’s what they want. They want to see themselves.

And it isn’t about um the superficial stuff, right? Like I get people watching me from all over the world of all different ethnicities and backgrounds

and religions and all of that. And so I don’t think it’s about that. I think it’s about an energy like they want to

to feel connected to what they resonate with. And you get a chance to do that now more than ever before.

And so it’ll be interesting to see how we continue how that continues. The algorithm gets more and more specific to help people do that.

It’s so interesting what you’re saying.

And I think yeah, YouTube is a great tool. You know, there are no no gatekeepers anymore. But I also have the feeling that you probably didn’t

dimension what you were getting in back then. know knowing what YouTube is today and the you know the influence it has in

our in our lives I I would say but you know before before all of this um and before astrology who was who were you

before you know be becoming a YouTuber and an astrologer who were you what were you doing what were your dreams

so I’ll tell you I um when I was growing up really the only uh

really famous woman in the world like the really famous woman was Madonna. And so I remember like kind of growing up

wanting to be Madonna. And you know, if I go back even further, I will say like I I talk about how my parents are

feminists, you know, and they were very um much like their feminism is about women’s economic empowerment. So it was

always really important to them that you know they always stressed education and the importance of women making their own money. that was really important to

them. But I remember like my my parents were politically active and my dad like he really really wanted me to be prime

minister of Canada. Like that was his vision for me. And so that was like a message I kind of grew up with. But I

remember even being a child like 14 years old and realizing like no I don’t want to do that because if I’m I remember thinking very clearly if I am a

politician I can’t wear what I want and I want to wear what I want like that was so important to me and so and so I

remember like kind of having that in my mind but then also seeing Madonna and thinking like that’s what you need to be

to be successful. And I remember like um going on years forward going to university and I was in uh social justice was my major, social justice.

And wow.

So that was really to like kind of set the stage. My dad wanted me to become a human rights lawyer and then go into politics from there. And I remember like

halfway through it was about the halfway mark and I was sitting in a class and we were talking about Hegel which is uh

this German uh philosopher and he talked about this thing called zeitgeist and he said that people don’t

vote according to uh what’s good for them what looks good on paper they vote according to what he considered a spirit

of a time and I felt like what he was talking about was um your heart, right? You vote according

to what resonates with you, not necessarily what makes sense up here.

And I remember thinking that’s what I want to be a part of. I want to be a part of affecting people on that level.

And like almost immediately I changed my major to philosophy. And then my graduate degree that you mentioned was

with um technically it was a faculty of religious studies is what that was with.

So Oh wow. um in cultural cosmology and divination. And so that’s one stream of what I was doing. The other stream was I

thought I wanted to be Madonna. I thought I was supposed to be Madonna.

And then what happened was Pluto conjuncted my moon and it is a that was

brutal. That was so brutal. I mean that it’s my chart ruler. It’s in the sixth

house. It’s in Sagge. Like all of that together, it just was one of these moments when I realized, oh my god, the

universe has a Madonna. It doesn’t need another Madonna, but maybe it could use a Nadia. And I had no idea who that was.

No idea. Oh my god. I don’t want to get emotional. I promised myself I would go.

Yeah. There’s just a lot going on in my chart right now. Pluto’s getting close to my son right about now. So yeah.

And so I remember like not knowing who that was. And my friends say that it was like I was there but I wasn’t there.

Like I’d kind of just gone numb for like a year and then like it was a dark night of the soul. And then slowly building

myself out of that through therapy and through uh university and education like that was a big part of it and just

slowly kind of coming out of that. And on the other side, it was astrology that guided me during that time. It was

astrology that gave me hope. And I remember like realizing that, you know,

all I really ever wanted was a platform from which to give people hope. That was always what I wanted. And it ended up

being that on the other side of that dark night of the soul, um, I went into astrology full-time. And that was, um,

September 1st, 2006. So, I’m coming up to 20 years as a full-time astrologer.

Yeah. Yeah. I remember hearing years ago uh sorry to interrupt. Let me just say this. I because I think about it almost

every day someone I I heard once say most people overestimate what can be done in one

year and they underestimate what can be done in 10 years. And I uh my life has shown me that again and again and again.

And you mentioned my school. You know I’m really proud of my school. And the school launched in uh 2015. So it’s been

just over 10 years. And we just crossed 2500 unique students. So over 2,500

students have come through the school which makes it easily one of the biggest astrology schools in the world. And it

is mindblowing to me that you know we are so focused on these very immediate goals but vision and even with vision

allowing that vision to evolve allowing it to change and just keeping at it keeping at it. And after 10 years, it’s amazing to me. And after 20 years,

coming up to 20 years just in astrology,

all that’s been built is uh is is humbling and remarkable and uh I feel really good about it.

No, I mean, you should of course you should. I mean you were not only brave and kind of like taking a leap of faith because back then you know astrology was

not as popular as it is you know with the rise of social media it became more popular then 2020 and we were all trying to find who we were at least you had

that question before it’s like okay there is a Madona how about an Nadia how you could pronounce your name is it Nadia or Nadia uh Nadia

Nadia so how about a Nadia you know that question for me it came very late it’s like okay who am I really you know and for you at least it was it was you know

younger but but I there’s like a part I want to understand is like how did astrology find you? Was it a book? Was

it something you read about or or you know how did you find astrology?

So that’s a really great question. I remember um like when I was growing up there were kind of these like stories

and tales about people in my lineage who were um like occult practitioners and astrology is sort of like a practice of

the occult right it’s an esoteric art so esoteric art practitioners nobody I knew really personally like that I met in

person but as part of the lineage it was always there and I remember my aunts on both sides of my family they were all

really into like astrologers and psychics and all of that kind of stuff.

And so it was just always kind of floating around. And then when I was 14 years old, you know, here in Toronto, we have this thing. It’s called the

Canadian National Exhibition. The last three weeks of the summer. It’s like every day there’s like, you know, rides

like Feria, right? They say in in Spanish, it’s like a huge uh adventure park, right? Um, and so anyways, and

there’s stalls there and and normally what happens is a couple of weeks beforehand, they used to I think now it must be online. I have no idea, but back

then they used to have like a job day and you would go and you would go into a room with like cards all over the walls.

And so you would choose a card and then it would tell you what table to go to and you’d go to that table and you’d interview right there and they would

hire you right there to work those three weeks. So, I remember like seeing a card and it just said like really good with people and things like that and I

thought, “Yeah, that makes sense for me.” And so, I go to the table and literally within five minutes they hired me. Then they give me this sheet of

paper and it had a hand on it and it had like arrows on it and it said, “This is your heartline. This is your headline.”

Right? And if it goes up it means this,

if it goes down it means this. And he said, “Okay, learn this.” And literally,

I kid you not, the next day I was there reading 50 to 75 palms a day for three weeks, like every single day.

And I remember like people telling me I was good, like people were like, “Wow, you’re really good at this.” You know,

and stuff like that. So that was like a message. And then right after that, you know, um I remember uh anytime we’d go to a party, my mom would be like, “Oh,

she reads palms. She reads palms.” And so people kept sticking their hands in my face. I really didn’t like that. And right around that time, she and uh my aunt started to give me astrology books.

I remember that my aunt Shireen and my mom. And so it it it just seemed like a better evolution for me, like to read

the astrology books because I didn’t like people putting their hands in my face. And then when I was 19, my aunt gifted me like a a solar fire print out

that she got from the new age store of my chart. And I still have that actually in a box over here. It’s one of the few

things I kept. I mean, I’m an Aquarius sun and a Sagge moon. You know, I am constantly going through my stuff to give things away, to get rid of things,

to create space. And that’s one of the few things I still have is that uh print out because I remember reading it and

thinking, “Oh my god, it’s me. Wow.” And that was when I started getting into chart reading. And it was years later

like I was 19 at the time and then I was um it was 2006 I was 30 when I went into

astrology full-time and so it had been a bit of a buildup right just before then it was that dark night of the soul but

also it was my Saturn return so both kind of happened at the same time so it was such a time of transition and I was

in university at the time but I was older than everybody else right because I was just enjoying my life. My parents didn’t know what to do with me. I was so

rebellious at a really young age. Like I was a rebel without a clue. You couldn’t tell me anything. And so I, you know,

wanted to go out. I wanted to have fun.

But the great thing is is that with my parents, I always think like I remember them saying and my dad saying to me, as long as I’m alive, you have a home. And

so I always had this as home base. I could always come to the the people who love me more than anybody in the world.

And so yeah, like it just sort of became a layered thing, but I I think it’s ultimately a journey to self, right? So

I started to answer your question, I started really young, but it was this progression. It was this journey, and now it’s just been something that’s been part of my life for so many years now.

Um I I think about how when I was trying to be Madonna and I was going on auditions and things like that, right?

And I remember it just never felt right.

Like it just always felt like wrong or off. And I I didn’t feel good about what I was doing. And I was nervous and I

didn’t want to share and all this. I was hyper sensitive. And I think about now like how natural astrology feels in

comparison to that. And I realize that it was like life was sending me messages. I was saying, “Look, it isn’t that you don’t work hard because I know

I’ve I’ve put in time. I do have Saturn in the first house. So, I do put in the time and it always feels like not

enough. But at the same time, it’s supposed to flow. When it’s right, it flows. And I think that’s what I found with astrology.

Wow. What a story, Nadia. I didn’t know.

I I’ve heard some other um interviews and and of course you also started interviewing people back then which I I

think it’s very brave because you know I was I think I remember in a conversation you were saying well I went to these astrology conferences with a little mic

or something or my phone and and just started interviewing people and they would think I’m crazy because you know

with the phone and and things and I mean I’m super shy. I don’t know if I would you know if I even today when I go to

conferences I I I don’t even know how to start a conversation believe it or not but I think you were very brave and such an inspiration but you know when you

started digging into astrology and of course you opened your natal chart and you know about your placements was there

any particular placement that you felt some resistance like oh I have this thing oh my god like you know Is there any?

Yeah, that’s a great question. You know,

I will say I do have a cancer rising and I feel like there were so many times I

felt like, oh, I hate that cancer rising cuz cuz my son, again, I said Aquarius,

right, is so like healthy detachment. My moon in Sagge doesn’t give a darn about anybody or anything. wants to just jump

in and figure it out later, which I’ve done so so many times in every area of life, especially when I travel. I’m like, “Okay, I’ll figure it out later.”

I about a month ago, you know, Jennifer Lopez was was uh performing at uh in Vegas and I turned 50 earlier this year.

So, I was like, I really wanted to see I remember when I turned 40, I wanted to see her in Vegas, but I didn’t get a chance to go. And now I was turning 50

and I was like, I want to go and see her because she’s so inspiring, you know, as a woman in her 50s and everything. I like, oh, I want to go. And I I just did

it. I was like, I’ll figure it out later. Just go. Just do it.

Like literally the night before I’m like, “Okay, Nadia, book the hotel.”

Okay. I saw that there was a really good deal. I bought the the flight there, but I didn’t buy the flight back. And then just the literally the day before I saw,

okay, there is a flight coming back.

That’s a good rate. And it just dropped in points. Okay, it’s a sign. It’s a sign. I’ll figure everything else when I get there. And I literally did. And I

ended up in the right in the front. Like literally, I was like in the fourth row.

And there were times when she was only like four feet away from me, six feet away because the way that the the the the it’s a very small theater.

And it’s the the Caesar’s Coliseum, so it’s quite small and it’s quite intimate and the seats sort of are angled. So

literally like I was sort of on an angle and she’s like right there and it was just amazing. It was just like wow this is awesome. This is like yeah like

that’s who I am but then the cancer rising. Oh, it feels things and I hate that it feels things like it’s like oh

but I want to be sensitive. Like even now sometimes I’ll think about things I did like as a teenager, you know, when I was rude to somebody, when I said

something that hurt somebody and I think, “Oh, I’m so sorry.” Like, “Oh, I hope that they don’t remember that. I hope that they, you know, look at me

kindly in in retrospect.” Like those are the things that I still feel because I really want to not be a hurtful person,

but then I’m also really sensitive. But then I’ve learned to kind of channel that into the into the work and and to

have that be the work and know that okay that’s sort of like the the first layer of me which is great

and people say like I seem so caring and I am but at the same time I still have that Aquarius and Sagge part of me and

those parts of me are like I do not care what anyone has to say. Nothing is going to stand in my way. That I’ll tell you that moon is trying Jupiter in the 10th,

right? So, it’s interesting because Jupiter’s in the 10th in Aries, but the um the actual midheaven is uh Pisces and

it’s square the moon. So, it’s like, you know, nothing is going to stop me from aligning with destiny. Like, nothing.

I I I think to myself sometimes like I will never stop. I will never stop. I’m gonna keep going. I will never stop. And

I think that’s it. Like it’s that desire to contribute, that desire to leave a legacy that keeps me pushing. And then

the sensitive part of me to try and use it to as a gift, try and use it in a way that actually helps not just others but

helps me as well. And I think that’s what shows up in the work is is trying to really approach things with

sensitivity. And you know lately it’s sort of like somebody came up to me and people have been asking me about you

know why I don’t more adamantly speak out about social issues or certain things and I’ve thought about that a lot

and it’s um you know it’s such an interesting thing because I I have learned over the years like the times

that I have gotten political um and said things that maybe everybody was saying or a lot of people were saying. What happens is that the people

who actually could be changed by the message, like the people who agree with it already are like, “Yeah, you’re

right.” But the people who actually might be affected to see themselves differently, to see the world

differently, they stop listening. And so it really made me think, okay, what do I want? Like I want to bring people

together. That’s really important with what I do. That’s a huge motivation behind what I do. is for us to see the humanity in each other and you know

people can see like my race, my ethnicity, my name, right? So it’s it’s not going to be a huge surprise. I I

I’ve shared before I was raised in a very progressive home. My parents are feminist goodness, right? And I I was

raised like I remember going to protests as a as a young person and I did all of that uh from the time I was a child going to these things with my father.

And so of course it wouldn’t be a surprise the things that I feel and the the things that I personally believe and I give my money to and I donate to in

terms of charities. But it’s a it’s this line where I I don’t think for me to say

certain things I don’t think it is courageous. I don’t think it’s going to be nearly as effective as trying to uh

keep people connected to the threads of humanity, right? And so I like I’ll give you an example right now, you know, a lot of people are saying like ice out,

right? And I like in the US everything that’s happening to the indigenous people of the Americas and I feel so

connected to the indigenous uh people of the Americas like I am a South Asian person but of all the places I’ve been

in the world because I’ve been to 50 countries I haven’t been to South Asia but that’s a very like Sagge moon thing right and I I I was saying to you before

we began I lived in Mexico for 10 years and I remember the first time going there and I just felt like Oh my god.

Like this is where I am supposed to be.

I can feel it within me. And anytime I forget who I am, I just go to Mexico, even if it’s just for a few days.

And like I took family recently with me for the first time. Yeah. For my birthday, I wanted to be there for my 50th birthday. And I had like aunts with

me and cousins and they said, “Oh my god, like as soon as you landed, you walk different. You like just your

energy changes.” I’m like, yeah, like I feel so bonded to the to the land, to the history, to the to the the rights of

the indigenous people. And people know that when they listen to me. So for me to say ice out, it ends up feeling superficial to me. It ends up feeling

like I’m shouting a slogan, but what am I actually doing? You know, and I think what I actually do is I feature Mexican

uh astrologers. What I actually do is I weave indigenous stories into what I share. What I actually do is like my

dear friend Uridia Robles, I co-wrote a book with her and it’s her wisdom. It’s on Mayan astrology. But that’s what I

do. That’s what I give. And I think that might be more powerful for me. So I don’t know. I’m I’m sort of like

figuring it out. It’s it’s uh it’s tough for me because I see a lot of injustices in the world and it breaks my heart and

I sit and I cry and I watch things and I think to myself, okay, it feels good to say certain slogans, but what can I

actually do? Like what can I actually do? Yeah. And it that’s the tough part.

Like what are your thoughts on that? Like No, I’m listening to you. Yeah. because I mean I’m so happy you brought it up

because sometimes I find myself in the same situation where you know I have a a politics background as well. I have um

I’m an Aquarian um I love astrology and and you know I work on NOS’s.

So of course there is a question of like okay should I tell my story like how am I living the war here? But then they will unsubscribe because you know we’re

supposed to do like astrology and so it’s always this ball game in my head where I need to find the way as you said where and I’m sure I’m not the only one

I can be sure where we are like okay but I want to say something about this but then you got to remember I don’t know why you started your YouTube channel

what were your values in the beginning and I’m happy that you’re still sticking to those values where you are like okay I want to unite people I want to you know look at each other as humans.

And there are many ways to do that. I mean, of course, I’m very curious because you you did philosophy and and you study all these things of to know

what you really think about stuff, but you can leave that for like I don’t know um substack or like your memberships or something like that because I actually

very curious know with your background and all the things you’ve seen and you’ve traveled to so many countries that I do think that Nadia Sha could

have a really good opinion or um advice as to you know what are we supposed to do as humans in today’s world plus

astrology. But I I’m really glad you brought that up and and I think we are not the only ones trying to figure that out and remembering first of all why you

know why we became astrologers and and why we open a YouTube channel for for me personally is to tell stories also know to make the astrologers human to know

their stories and see that they also go through these internal battles and you know obviously astrology is not only astrology but then it becomes a business

in your case for example with synchronicity university there is a big responsibility as to the things you are going to support and the causes you’re

going to be part of. So, I’m really really happy you brought that up. I still don’t have an answer for myself.

What am I supposed but I think um as you said and I’m learning so much from you now. that there are many ways to help each other and to support different

causes and it doesn’t have to be directly like saying those words or those slogans and I’m I’m really admire you for that and bringing all bringing

also other astrologers from other ethnicities or other countries um to the spotlight. So you know let’s just continue with the spotlight because

actually you actually created Synchronicity University. How did that idea start or you know?

So it started at first as a series on YouTube. It was just a series of videos like astrology classes on YouTube

and it was um it was just that for for like the first year and then in 2016

it I launched classes that it was just me like sort of you know teaching classes but it really was like at the very

beginning of the pandemic at the very start of the pandemic that I thought you know what like I want to celebrate other

astrologers. I want to bring other astrologers into this. And that was when I launched um what we call choose your

tuition rate. And so that is people get to choose how much they want to pay, how much they can pay. Um and it starts at like $5 a class and goes all the way up.

And that really became a thing that resonated with a lot of people. And you know, I was really grateful. By the time

I got there, I had interviewed and built relationships with some of the, you know, most notable astrologers in the world at that point. And I was able to

invite them and I had that trust already. It wasn’t like I was somebody they don’t know. I was someone at that point that they’d already known for

years because I’d been going to the conferences and you know, I I would invite people like for me, I have my

part of fortune in my 11th house. And so for me like building those relationships, going to conferences,

going to gatherings, um it has helped me so much in terms of helping me to grow professionally. And so I would invite

people out there to like look at their chart if they’re trying to grow professionally, which I think a lot of people who watch you probably are because the people who watch you and

they’re watching something called backstage astrology because they want to know something deeper about about the

astrologer and about wanting to to advance what you do or or to feel that sense of similarity. They’re usually going to be people who maybe think,

“Hey, maybe I could do this one day kind of professionally, I would think,

because or else you just get people who are reading their horoscope, which is great, too, which is a very powerful thing to be a part of. I loved being a

part of that when I was because I think that those horoscopes in the back of magazines and in um newspapers, they um

affirm very quietly. They affirm a universe that is wise and loving. like they affirm that we are connected to

everyone and everything. And most people just think of it as kind of like a fluffy thing or a fun thing. But the

thing is that no on a very on a very uh deep level of our collective unconscious there is this understanding that we are

uh integrated in the larger what I would call cosmic dance right and so because that is there it is so

interesting to me I’ve loved being a part of that but yeah I think that the people who are watching this are probably more interested in that uh

behind the scenes kind of stuff right and Um, yeah. Yeah, they would be. And okay, I’m trying to catch up now. I’m

going to ask you to cut something out here. Um, yeah. Yeah.

What was the question? I lost my train of thought there. I went all in these other directions there for a moment. What was that?

Don’t worry. Um, no, actually, don’t worry. It’s okay. I will pick the best parts because I also forgot. I have so many here that I got lost at some point.

Like, what did I just ask?

Your questions are amazing. They really are. And you know, I’m I’m totally okay.

But like I said, I have I I’ll tell you also that right now it’s been so interesting because my brother is uh he just had a a total liver transplant.

It’s been Ah, it’s your brother. I’m saying in the stories. I’ve seen the stories. Oh, I’m so sorry. I didn’t know it was your brother.

Well Oh, yeah. That’s my brother. And it’s a it’s an emotional time.

It’s a tiring time. His wife lives near the hospital. of course they live near the hospital but the hospital is like

two and a half hours away like so I like I go and I try to go as much as I can but because of the distance it’s like

you know and then on Sunday I went with my dad and the trains weren’t running and so we had to take the bus into the city and it ended up being like three hours each way. Yeah.

But then there was also um yesterday I went and so I you know I was saying to my sister-in-law I was saying like

you’re I don’t know how you do it like she goes every day and they have all these animals at home and she’s still taking care of the animals and every day

she’s there. She’s advocating for him when she’s not at the hospital. She’s sending emails. She’s telling doctors

and everybody who will listen what’s going on with my brother and what he needs and if he’s experiencing pain or

whatever. She is a fighter. She is just I admire her so much. But all of it I mean it’s just tiring,

you know, like that’s the truth. And when my alarm rang today, I was like,

“Oh, I want to sleep another five hours.” Like I was so tired.

But I was like, “No, let’s do it. Let’s show up. Let’s let’s share something good. So, I mean, I’m happy to be here because you give a lot of energy. But

yes, I lost my train of thought. I guess it’s not a big deal and and I guess you could include it if you wanted to. It would be no big deal.

But yes, whatever your question was or whatever it is, please remind me. No, I actually also forgot because I have some

reading but other other just come you know with talking but actually talking about the backstage um you know what is

something about being an astrologer that people don’t see or don’t understand.

Okay. So, I’m just remembering right now. I I’ll answer that question. But you had asked me about synchronicity university. That’s what it was. And so,

I started So, let me just answer that question because I love the school. I’m so proud of the school. I’ve built those relationships with people.

Uhhuh.

And so, the school has just become its own thing and it’s uh remarkable and I’m super proud of it. And I think like I

didn’t realize how much people want to learn astrology until I really expanded it and saw other people coming in and and how that went.

So it’s been such a privilege to have the trust of so many like big dogs in astrology, rising stars to feature

rising stars. It’s been a wonderful thing. So there’s that answer. Now tell me that question you just asked me again.

No, you were talking well you’re doing so many things because you know you’re an astrologer but you’re a teacher but you’re also part of many groups, many associations, many you know teaching

groups as well. But what is something about being an astrologer that people don’t see or don’t understand?

That’s a great question. I think it’s um I I always say like you can’t have astrology without the astrologer.

And whatever kind of person you are,

that’s what you’re going to look for in your astrology and that’s what you’ll likely find in your astrology. And so if you are a person who’s very fatalistic,

who thinks that you know everything the the way the universe is, all these things happen and we have no power over them, we have no control over them and

they um you know just like that our whole lives could change based on stuff we have no control over. You’re going to

see that when you look at the chart and when you look at the sky because ultimately what we do is an act of poetry is what we do. It is it is to

interpret a symbol. It is to put words to something that is a physical phenomenon. And that’s what we do as

astrologers. And I think that um I look at astrology as constantly having

to check in with ourselves, constantly having to look in the mirror, constantly having to be honest with ourselves about what we’re seeing, why we’re seeing it,

and striving for interpretations that are as um not biased as possible, right?

Is what we hope for, what we try for. Um but there’s always going to be biases you know and you were saying

interestingly earlier you said something to the effect of you know with the internet now astrology is like bigger than ever and I would say

like two things with that. So one is um with the internet everything is bigger than ever like no matter what you’re

into you will find community online you will find content online and you know I

recently um did this uh short talk for an event that was being hosted by Maurice Fernandez and Maurice Fernandez

one of the leading evolutionary astrologers in the world he’s part of the school as well and he’s going to be coming up uh at the school later this

spring teaching another course with And you know in that talk I did I was saying to him like where I was saying in

general I was saying that you know um how the algorithm is getting so exact it

just really is getting more and more precise that you know pretty soon you basically can be like okay this is what

the algorithm wants and you don’t even have to be on camera you can literally just create a character with AI you can

put that out there and AI I can pull from across the internet and put that out there. And I was saying, you know,

like I can put all the videos I’ve ever done into AI and it can make an AI Nadia right now and it can it can do

horoscopes right now. That technology exists if I choose to pursue it.

But I think that what people want is the personal connection. They want to feel that realness more and more as we get more and more digital is going to be

part of it. But the thing that I hadn’t taken into consideration, you know, when I was making that uh that talk for him

and I thought about it afterwards, you know, the algorithm and the technology might get so precise that it isn’t even

that it has to be um that I put all my info and make a bot of myself and therefore every week you get a horoscope

based on what’s happening. But literally, it could just be whatever you want to see can manifest.

Like it doesn’t matter if somebody created it or is creating it. Like you can decide what the person looks like,

what they sound like, you know, what their tone is, are they being flirty,

are they being wise or whatever. And whether you want to have a conversation or whether it’s just what you want to watch, whether it’s a movie that you want to watch and you say, “This is what

I want the movie to be about.” That’s how precise we just might get in the future, right? But even for all of that,

you can find a lot of whatever you’re into, which is great. It breaks us out out of isolation.

But I think a big thing that caused astrology to grow so much was the fact that Neptune was in Pisces.

And Neptune in Pisces was so much about wanting connection, wanting a mystical experience, right? When Neptune was in

Pisces the last time over a century and a half ago, that was the rise of the theosophy movement, right? It was this

whole idea of people sort of western people going abroad. They went to different places, right? Depending on

who they were, they went abroad like Madame Lovatzky and other people. they’d come back from India or they’d come back from China or they’d come back from

Egypt and they’d they’d sort of say this spirituality but they would package it into a western mindset, you know, into a

more uh if I could say capitalist way of of interacting with the world, right? It became a lot more about manifesting what

you want. Um, and that was very much to fit the western mind. And so we had that, but then Neptune moved into Aries.

And when Neptune moved into Aries, we had still the the growth and the strength of the of the spiritualist

movement. But what you start seeing is people like, for example, Alistister Crowley. And Alistister Crowley is, you know, do what thy will is the whole of

the law. Alistister, which is such a Neptune and Aries thing to say, right? It is such a thing where it’s like, no,

I want it. that’s what I’m gonna do and it’s spiritual because I want it and because I’m doing it, it is spiritual.

But what you also had was the loudest detractors as well and people who fed off those detractors which is how again a figure like Alistister Crowley was

able to rise in his time and become like this media figure because he um was able to to take

advantage of that. He fed on the conflict. And so it’s interesting to see how astrology might evolve in that

context um and where it might go. But I think the rise of astrology has very much been about Neptune in Pisces. I

think the greater segmentation of astrology is going to be this, you know,

what I’m calling the near star of David energy that’s coming up in July. we’re going to have this, you know, huge significant

uh larger configuration that is is going to be like fire and air. Basically, it’s fire and air in the middle of July. And

I think all of that speaks to a much more niche and individual experience of astrology. If I’m just speaking about it

from the perspective of astrology, it becomes a lot more niche. And so right now, like for example, when I started on YouTube, there were so few of us that people will still recognize me based on,

you know, seeing me years ago, they’ll still like sort of be like, “Are you Nadia?” You know, because they they because I’ve just been around so long.

So they’ve seen my face, which is a wonderful privilege to be a part of. I love, you know, people saying that I inspired them whether as astrologers or

not. But you know what I think is going to start happening more and more is that we’re going to have superstars in evolutionary astrology. And outside of

evolutionary astrology, maybe nobody knows them. Like right now, there are superstars in Vadic astrology.

And a lot of people outside of Vadic don’t even know them. They could be anybody walking down the street. And the same thing like with me, I the the great

thing is with where I am in my life, in my career right now is that when I go to an astrology conference, right, it’s

like I’m treated like Madonna. It’s great. It’s like being Madonna.

Everybody’s looking at me. I’m leaving the hotel room looking like um the snatch. My hair is done. My makeup is done because I know people are going to

want photos with me. And I love doing it. It’s part of the fun. I mean, I do have this junk my mood. I I love glam so much, right? And so, yeah, it’s great.

But then in my own life, I can still have my anonymity for the most part, but you would be surprised the weirdest places people have said, “Are you

Nadia?” And it’s been interesting because I’ve had an interesting life and I I travel around and I enjoy myself

when I’m traveling. And I remember like for the longest time I like I was in relationship with somebody in Mexico for seven years there and then we broke up

during the pandemic and I moved to another part of Mexico for a couple of years and I remember um after like sort

of that and I left Mexico City for a little while for a couple of years and I remember like traveling and being like

you know my friend was telling me go on the apps go on the dating apps and things and I’m like I don’t want people to be like is that Nadia? Yeah, what’s

going on here? You cuz I’ve had that experience not with astrologers but other creators where I’ve been like,

“Oh, that’s that creator. Okay, they’re here on the app. Awesome. Good for them.” Yeah. Yeah. I’ve had that experience.

But I, you know, it’s interesting because for the most part, I don’t think anybody on the apps has ever said, “Are you Nadia? Do you know?” Nobody’s ever

done that. But that might be because I’m basically in uh I’m usually in Latin America when I’m using the dating apps.

It’s a very sexy place. So what are you going to do as a single girl but be on the apps? Yeah.

Oh wow. I can imagine no if someone recognized you like oh can you look at compatibility before we waste time?

And I would I would do it. I’ve become very adept at finding ways to sort of say to people, um, yeah, when’s your

birthday? Oh, okay. Yeah. You know, I what time were you born? I’ll be like, you know, I was born at this time a day.

What about you? And then they’ll tell me and then I’ll be like, right, they don’t know, but I’m like checking out the chart. That’s what it is to be an astrologer.

That’s that’s really funny. I remember um just sharing experiences where um you know clients will come and then with

permission of their partners or kids like but how can I ask him for his birth time like it will look so obvious and I

remember I heard someone I can’t remember which is true you’re saying well you just tell them that you know like people who are born in the morning

are like smarter or something and people that were born in the night and then you That’s so

like some fact some fact and then you lead the conversation towards you know what time were you born or something like that. I was like, “Okay.” And actually, it worked for a few years for me until people, you know, it’s like,

“Oh, we know your formula, so it it doesn’t help anymore.” But Nadia,

looking back at your almost 20 years,

I know you’re so professional. What is your What is Tell me about your chart.

Okay, so you said Aquarius sun. Can I ask what degree? So, my chart Okay, so my son,

it’s in 17 Aquarius. Mhm.

But, you know, when I hear you, I’m just like I don’t know if I’m going to put this out, but when I hear you, I I see myself so so much because now that I if

you have a moon in Sag, my Uranus is in Sag and it’s it has an exact sex style with my son.

So, all of the Sagittarius energy, even though I’m not Sagittarius, it’s kind of like I, you know, like I get you. It’s like, yes, me too. I feel the same. Yes.

Yes. But, you know, I don’t want to be saying that all the time in the video,

but it it’s just resonating really strongly. And anyway, so you were talking also about

changing subjects, air and fire, but you have air and fire. So, actually, how are

you feeling all this new energy that’s coming through as someone with a Sagittarius moon and a sun in Aquarius?

Just curious about it.

Yeah. And you know the thing is I think that um we we emphasize trines right like oh they’re so great and I I mean I

have a grand trine and air in my chart and I think people can see it because I can just talk and talk and you know it’s it’s wonderful and I write it’s so much

fun writing books so I like I have a bunch of books always in the works as six have been published already. So always like, you know, it’s like the

mind is always so active. But I think that we don’t emphasize enough how much of a blessing uh squares are, right?

Forgive me, it’s a little warm in here,

Phil. But I think we don’t Yeah, we don’t always um let me start that again. Um, we

overemphasized the power of the trines and the grand trine in my case, but we underemphasize

how valuable squares are. And squares get things done. Like square is where you feel like this has got to be different. I’ve got to make it happen.

So, as much as I have yeah grand trine in my chart, I’ve got enough squares to go around. And because I have a chart that’s really mixed like it’s has all

the elements in a balanced a representative way because of that yeah I might have something wonderful happening with my

sun but then at the same time uh there might be a square to my ascendant or something right like for example

right now um right about now it would be Saturn is sexiling my sun which is great

which is strengthening but Saturn is rushing to square my my ascendant. So,

but the thing is because both are taking place, it’s they they end up serving each other well, right? Because you have

enough of the TR and sexile to to experience growth and blessings and and feel like there’s opportunity, but

you’ve got enough of the squares to make it count for something, to not be lazy with it.

And so, the way I’m experiencing a lot of these energies, I’ve been looking forward to them, that’s for sure. with all that very dominant fire and air in my chart.

Yeah.

And I’ve been looking forward to it, but it’s, you know, it’s an Aquarius sun and I know like I’m I’m like, look, I’ve

having lived through Pluto conjunct my moon, I know I’m going to be okay and I know whatever it is is going to be fine.

And I had this really powerful experience actually. It was in the summer of 24 and I ended up on bed rest for like six weeks and I couldn’t work.

I couldn’t make well I wasn’t going to make videos lying down right like if I had to do it today I don’t know maybe I would get the technology and and I

remember my mom saying why don’t you just make audios and I was like I think people are going to be more concerned if they they just hear me and I’m not and

they’re not seeing me they’re like oh my god what’s going on with audio and so that’s why and I remember at the time

I had to like face every fear I had like I just had to face so much fear

cuz I I have a Chiron in the 10th. I was having my Chiron return and it was an injury on my hip, no less,

right? It was a cut and it wouldn’t close and it was brutal. I was in I was in Rio de Janeiro, right? One of the

most beautiful, sexiest cities on the planet. I mean, people sleep on Rio de Janeiro. Everybody’s got to go to Brazil

at least once. It is incredible. It is life-changing. It is so beautiful. And I am stuck in bed in a hotel room. No

for yeah for six. It was brutal. It was completely brutal. And I remember I had to like really face every fear I had at

the time. And I really got to this place where it was like, “Oh my god, I could lose everything. Everything I’ve built,

I could just lose it.” And I remember getting to this place where I realized,

“Oh my god, my mom is calling me every day. my my the people who love me are with me. They’re checking in with me.

They’re not here, but they’re like, you know, my aunt is calling me every day.

And I realized, oh my god, like it’s okay. Whatever needs to happen is okay.

And I found this place in myself that just clicked something within me where I went, oh my god, life is about soul. And

I’ve been making life about all these things that are ultimately illusion, right? The physical reality is illusion.

It’s still valuable, but life has to be about soul or else it is nothing. It is meaningless because that’s what it’s

really about. And it changed my approach to my work dramatically. Like it was just a huge life-changing thing. And now

with my brother right now, like sort of eight days out of having a a liver transplant and recognizing the

frustration he feels. I can see it. I can feel it and I can say to him, “Look,

I know what you’re feeling and I mean it. You know, I I I understand when people want to talk to me and they have these personal challenges they’re going

through. I bring this whole other level of compassion into the mix. And that wouldn’t have happened if I didn’t have

uh my Chiron return with Chiron squaring my first house Saturn, right? Like that became a part of this. So, we’re coming

up to like this was also when um Pluto first dipped into was first starting to

dip into in 2023. It dipped in for a few weeks to Aquarius and that was a huge like healing moment for me. It was like generational trauma getting kicked up.

2024 again Pluto just starts to gain traction inside of Aquarius starts to move towards my sun and all of this

happens and so it’s going to be next year I think this year Pluto gets to six and stations at five or six next year it

gets to seven it’ll it’ll stay it’ll uh conjunct my sun and I can say look Uranus is going to trine my son at the

same time Neptune will sexile my son at the same time it’s Great. I’ll change whatever. Right. It’s still Pluto on

your sun. Like it’s still like Pluto.

I’m asking you. Yeah. Because I have um Mercury, Jupiter, Sun in Aquarius.

So, Mercury is in the 80 degree of Aquarius. So, Pluto is coming. And I don’t know. It’s like being blind. Like,

I don’t know what’s going to happen. and I don’t know what I’m going to be tomorrow really because with the situation and with you know so it’s

really hard to trust something um you don’t know I don’t know if you feel the same with the Pluto transits and the

Pluto moon Pluto moon transit and what’s coming how do you feel about it I you know I felt that way I was so

afraid like up until I was on bed rest so I was so afraid and I remember like everyone I interviewed I was saying Pluto’s coming to my son. Oh my god.

Give me advice. Tell me what to do. D,

right? Every single person. And I’m so grateful. Like I have had the chance to interview like some of the, you know, the leading astrologers of our time.

It’s been such a blessing.

And I’ve been doing interviews for so many years now. I think I started doing interviews in like 2009 two 2010 around

there is when I really started doing interviews and uh really throwing myself into it. Over the years, I’ve interviewed people and I remember this

one person, this lovely uh teacher that we had, Sabrina Monarch, and I remember like asking her for her feedback, her

advice, whatever. And she was like, you know, saying so, and this was before I was on bed rest, too. This was like a year or two before. And I remember her

saying something to the effect of like like it it isn’t going to like yeah

Pluto can hurt but it it hurts more when you hold on tight right but if you focus

on who you might become then it gets exciting you know she’s like look the same thing that’s freaking you out can

also excite you like isn’t it exciting to think about who you might become and then that’s that changed my perception around it. I went, “Yeah, it is kind of like obviously Pluto, like for example,

Pluto on my moon, I kept thinking I was supposed to be Madonna. If I hadn’t had that transit, I might still be going to auditions and thinking I need to be

Madonna and being frustrated being because that is not supposed to be my path. That is not what I am to do in

this lifetime.” And so, because I had that transit, it got me to a deeper place of honesty. And I’d like to think

that now I sort of am able to recognize those layers sooner, right? I’m able to get to

the place of understanding those layers sooner and to work with the energies,

but then also to understand and I really believe this, you know, there are times when it’s so much about going after what you want, right? Like right now Jupiter

is right near my ascendant uh in the first house. So yeah, I’m putting a lot of things into place. There’s lots of plans of stuff that’s going to be

launching, especially in the middle of the year. And so, there’s all this, you know, push and and all of that, but there are times when it’s not Jupiter,

it’s Pluto. And when it’s Pluto, you really have to get out of the way because you think you know, but you really don’t. Like, you think you know,

but there’s something greater. And you getting in the way is is only making it harder, you know? And I remember this so

again so clearly years ago I remember talking to a friend sort of an acquaintance a casual friend. I was kind of upset and you know and he was saying

to me I was like oh my career is going I was like in my early 20s at the time and I’m like oh my career uh and he was like well like you know darling what do you want and I said I want to be Madonna.

And he said to me oh honey what what the universe has planned for you is way cooler than that. Like come on.

And I didn’t think about that, right? I didn’t think about that cuz she was it. Like she was it. And now it’s like yeah,

like I was saying earlier, I have this right mix where I’m anonymous enough where I can, you know, have my fun and go to the club and not worry too much,

you know? I can just really, you know, I like I learned Spanish by listening to Daddy Yankee. So that tells you everything. Yeah. Yeah. I’m a super fan

of Daddy Yankee, you know. I I’ve seen him in concert so many times. Look, this is I got this at his last show. I got so

many of these, right? I had I was wearing my Daddy Yankee jacket yesterday. I have a spring jacket. I I love it. I love it. So, yeah. So, that

tells you something about what kind of clubs I’m going to, right? And I could go to the clubs. I can enjoy myself, right, with the regaton and everything.

But at the same time, and that’s one part of me, and that’s an authentic part of me, and another part of me, an authentic part of me is what I bring to

the videos. It’s just that I don’t have to bring the club to the to the astrology necessarily, right? I don’t got to do it like that. And it’s great

because it’s like it gives me this right balance where I I have lots of agency.

No one tells me what to do. I can, you know, be as engaged as I want. I can work as much as I want. pull back when I

need to and I can also um just be myself, be true to myself in the whole journey. And to me, that is yeah, that’s

that’s the path that I’m supposed to be on. And it it feels like it. I feel like I’m in that zone.

And and and you’ve traveled. So yeah, I mean I guess how you say that like it has been much better than being Madonna in the end. No.

Well, look, I I would say for Madonna,

no. Madonna being Madonna is great for her, right? And don’t get me wrong, like Madonna money is great. I’m sure. I’m sure it’s very, very, very great.

Private jets is great. I’m sure, you know, and maybe one day we’ll get there. Maybe one day I’ll get there. We’ll see.

But what I have right now, it’s more authentic. I think that’s what I mean.

That I think that’s what my friend meant at the time when he said it’s way cooler. I think what he was trying to say is it’s going to be you, right? It’s

going to be authentic. It’s not going to be like thinking I have to be somebody else. It’s just me being me.

Yeah. That’s what it feels like with my work a lot of times. Like it’s just me being me. And I think that’s part of what people like. Like like the work

evolves, right, over the years a after all these years being a full-time astrologer. And it it the voice changes,

the tone changes as I evolve, as I change.

Exactly. You’re a Yeah. Which is how it’s supposed to be.

and the meaning my work has for me changes. But what I’ve sort of understood and I remember I had this realization really recently. I did this um it was my first national uh TV spot.

o it was great in Canada I think.

Yeah. In Canada. So I did a breakfast show in Canada and it was great. It was like uh you know one of these high point moments of my career. It was wonderful

to be there and I remember like beforehand like the preparation it was like you know really be um you have to

really speak to the masses and you have to be generic and you have to be this and you have to be that and that’s all well and good but I remember like like

two days later I was on somebody’s podcast and they were interviewing me and they were asking me like these more profound questions like you are and they

were asking me about like the philosophical approach and the history and And I was able to get really nerdy and I’m such a nerd and that’s when I realized, you know, like I really am.

And so something clicked in me and said,

“Oh my god, like that’s my niche. Like that’s who I am. Those are the people who like watch me every week.” There are

a lot of people who just watch the monthly horoscopes and they’re happy with that and that’s great.

But there are a lot of people who they tune in every week because they like the journey. They want that myth and the,

you know, the spirituality and the personal stories mixed in. Like they feel like they know me. They feel like

I’m hanging out in their kitchen on Sundays with them. And so I’ve become part of their ritual. And that

relationship is it it comes from a more authentic place. You can’t have I think humbly I don’t think you can have that

relationship by being generic. I think that relationship comes by being uh more more you and whatever that is and

knowing that that will attract people towards you. And so I had this huge realization where I was like oh my god yeah like don’t run from being a nerd.

Lean into being a nerd. Like that’s who I am. That’s the the people who really are enthusiastic about my work. They’re the ones who who are going to love that.

And that is a a different understanding of what I do now. It’s like I’m hanging out with you. I’m your friend. I’m your whatever sister or something. I’m just

hanging out. It becomes a different way of delivering or of being myself, of showing up as myself. And you know what

you’re saying, it’s such um in alarming to what we’re living today in the sky with with all these planets in Aries, which is an an opportunity to actually,

you know, explore who we really are and or or who we thought we were and and try of like, you know, making peace with it

as well because sometimes, you know, we have all this this encouragement where we don’t feel that we’re we are enough or we compare ourselves and in the end

everyone has something unique. And the fact that you’re bringing that up even in your practice and in your, you know,

YouTube channel, I think you’re right also when you said that we are, you know, people are are craving for

oneonone kind of services right now where I want your attention. I want Nadia to be there with me and, you know,

tell me what to do with my child,

whatever it is. And and so I think it’s important to, you know, not forget that all of us have something unique and and

it’s worth sharing it because I think people might need it. And I think you have a very specific and unique approach. You have traveled to so many

places. You’ve seen things. You do astrology, philosophy, you like politics, you know. So thank you for sharing that with us. you know also your

perspective about things even though sometimes you know astrologers you know may touch on certain topics but as long

as it as it’s from a good place I think it it’s going to be all right but Nadia

so what has been one of the hardest moments in your journey as an astrologer

one of the hardest moments um I think uh

It’s it’s a what you do with the hard stuff, right? It’s like what meaning you want to gather from the hard stuff. Like again, going back to my brother, I was

saying to him like, you know, this can mean whatever you want. You can because he’s not like a spiritual dude. He’s not like me, right? He’s more like agnostic,

I guess you could say.

And that’s cool. That’s him and he’s awesome. And so, yeah, it’s like I said to him, look, you can believe whatever

you want to believe, but if you want to believe what you want to believe, you might as well believe something that’s going to help you at this time,

you know. And I and I remember saying to him like, you know, this can mean whatever you want. It can just mean, you know, you needed to stop. It can mean

something deeper. It could mean something more superficial. Whatever helps you, just like make it mean that whatever you think is going to help you

right now. And so yeah, I think that um being an astrologer, sorry, my mind is

going in all kinds of directions. Please ask me that question again. Say it again.

No worries. Sorry, I got stuck with my cable here. That’s okay. Question. Mhm.

Yeah, actually we have we passed the hour, so let me I know. I know we’re a little bit over time, so how about like one or two more questions and we can Yeah, exactly. Okay.

So, yeah, the last question was, “What has been one of the hardest moments in your journey as an astrologer?” Thank you. Yeah. So,

I remember like very early in my career.

So, I was quite new on um on YouTube. I think it was 2009 or 2010. It was right around there. But I

was on YouTube and I was doing my thing and I was contacted by a major production company in Toronto and the a

national production company and they wanted to like develop a show with me,

right? And so it was super exciting. It felt like, oh my god, this is my dream.

This is my dream coming true. And I will tell you like I shot the pilot three times and it was absolutely exhausting.

It was an awful experience to be honest with you. Like I had this vision of like an astrology and interviewing

astrologers and spiritual thinkers and that that was my vision but they envisioned something more like we could describe as a South Asian

Canadian lifestyle show. So so it was more about me going to like you know events and whatever and sharing

different things that were more like related to like cultural South Asian culture. But in Canada

and I I remember like it felt so wrong like every step of it felt so wrong

because I am so much about um us not being defined by these very immediate

things right I am so much about um us seeing the universality in each other

and focusing on that and focusing on you know and don’t get me wrong it’s like I’ll share South Asian stories and South

Asian myth. And I’ll do all of that stuff and why not? I’d share a lot of Buddhist stuff because I studied Buddhism quite seriously for a period of

time, about a year there. I went to Thailand a couple of times to study Buddhism. So, it was really important to me at the time. And so, all of that, it

is a part of me, but for me, it’s so much about helping people see themselves, right? It’s so much about not saying

this was the journey of the Buddha, but the Buddha said this and how do you see yourself in it? You know, this is you,

right? This is your story. It’s not just about the Buddha. It’s about you. And so, it’s a different way of approaching things. And especially at the time, I

was so much about like wanting it to be horoscopes and astrologers and and all of that. And um it was just it was awful. Like every time I shot the pilot,

they were like, “It isn’t South Asian enough.” They would say stuff like that. And it was just really like triggering.

I know it was like really pushing buttons like in me, right? Growing up and and hearing that messaging as well because I like I said, I’ve been to 50

countries so far, but I have not had a chance to go to South Asia yet. Like every time I try to book a trip to South Asia, something happens and it just sort

of like stops me. And I think that’s um you know there are things in my chart. I think something in my chart I remember

reading an interpretation of it which said this person will live in exile from their homeland. And I’m like oh this

makes so much sense. Like every time I try to go something happens it kind of like ah no not right now not right now.

So it was so like it was very pushing a deeper button in within me, right? That that part of me that’s like, well,

you’re not Canadian enough, but then you’re not South Asian enough. So, you know, where do you go?

And I think now like uh we see the upcoming generations, or rather the millennials. I wouldn’t even say upcoming, I say the millennials. Uh, and

I remember like sort of being in the early days of that like sort of carving out an identity that was kind of like

east and west. And so there are lots of different ways in which we’ve done that as writers, as artists, as uh, you know,

I remember going to events and things like that that sort of carved out that middle lane and that was really healing for me to be a part of that for a few

years there. But yeah, it was very pushing those buttons within me and I remember when it wasn’t working and I had to kind of accept it. I had to be

like, you know, this isn’t working. And I was devastated. I mean, I remember it was like my dream and I didn’t have my dream anymore. And my dream had died.

And it was like for a month I was like just like not me. I was not myself the way I felt. And then I was like, okay, I got to figure myself out. So what do I do whenever I need to figure myself out?

I travel, right? I’m like, go to the Sag moon,

take off, go out in the world, do something, right? So I I I decided to travel. And while I was traveling, that

was when I did like my first interviews of people. Like I I went to England first and I interviewed like a former

professor and a fellow student and and I went to different locations and I had my friends film me. And again, nobody was

doing this. Nobody was like holding up their, you know, iPod touch.

Yeah. Yeah. No one’s like holding up their iPod touch and like like filming and my friends are holding this and I’m holding like this wire and everything

and doing this and people are looking at me like what is this strange thing?

But I was happy you know I was really happy and then when I came back I realized like no it’s YouTube I got to do YouTube like finally I was getting

the message like do YouTube throw yourself into YouTube.

And it’s interesting because then after that, I remember that must have been like 2010 or 2011 or something around

there. In 2013, I was contacted by a TV station here in in Toronto. It was a

Canadian called TV1. They contacted me and they um ended up doing a segment with me every week. I did a astrology

segment with them and it played on their on that TV station. Um, and that was throughout 2013. And that was like sort

of the beginning of the weekly horoscopes on my channel, too, because I was able to post those.

And so, yeah, it’s amazing how it ends up happening, you know, and I I wanted people to watch me on their screens, and now people do like people will send me photos of watching me on their smart TV.

And so, it’s it’s kind of amazing, right, how it ends up coming together.

These things do. Yeah. But that was a very hard moment, but it was a a necessary moment because it was a it meant to align me with what I was really

supposed to be doing, which I I think I’m sort of in that zone. Although I’m always asking myself the question, it like I said, it always feels like not

enough. It always feels like I should be doing more, pushing more, trying more.

But hopefully, you know, that means that I use this lifetime well and and do what it is that I’m I’m meant to do with it.

Wow. Nadia, last question is, what is the biggest gift astrology has given you?

Oh, there’s so much. Right. I think um meaning like it I think it gives life

meaning is what it is because I I’m reminded of, you know, Max Weber, the iron cage of postmodernism. Now,

this is an example that my my dear professor Patrick Curry once used um I think in one of his books. He co-wrote a

book called Pulling Down the Moon and I think I read it in there and I remember it saying something like we you know Max

Weber is sort of the godfather of sociology and he talked about this idea that we

live in closer like sections quarters than ever before, right? We are in more dense city centers than ever before,

but we are more isolated from each other than ever before. we feel more lonely than ever before. And that’s what he called the iron cage of postmodernism.

And so Patrick Curry said that he felt that astrology sort of answers that call and it lifts us out of the iron cage of

postmodernism because it helps us to feel connected to something, the sky.

And if we’re connected to the sky, then we must be connected to each other is how that that tends to go. And so for

me, I think that that connection is part of the greater gift for me personally

too. Like it it’s kind of like stuff will happen and I’ll look at the chart and I’ll be like, “Okay, this is happening.” At least it has some

meaning. And I think we are meant to find meaning, right? We’re meant to find meaning. I don’t think we’re meant to live, like Freud said, you know, um,

until we accept what he called the cruelty of fate, we’re never really adults. And that’s why people go to astrologies because they can’t accept

the cruelty of fate. And I think we’re not supposed to.

I think we’re not supposed to. It is not in our nature to do that. We are supposed to find meaning and especially in times and things that feel

meaningless. We are supposed to find deeper meaning. And um yeah, like I I think that’s what astrology it’s helped

me to do in my own life, but then it helps me to do that for other people as well. And I think that is, you know,

that is part of what I really love about being an astrologer in astrology.

Wow. Nadia, so what what are you having um in store for this for this 2026? What are you going to be? Are you teaching?

Are you doing readings or I don’t know. Tell us more about what you’re up to.

Yeah. All of that, right? Um I started doing readings again after my bed rest basically. I think it was Yeah, it was around that.

Wow.

I think Yeah. And it was like really a desire to connect with people like after having gone through something so tough and being open to other people.

It really um gave me purpose. It restored a sense of purpose for me in in astrology and it reminded me that

there’s like real people. I hadn’t really done like client work in a serious way for like over 10 years and so to have that and so it’s a very

limited number of availability that I have just because of my schedule but it’s always so rewarding to have that

that time and when I travel as well you know sometimes I’ll do meetups if I’m in a place or I’ll say hey I’m here and

almost everywhere I end up meeting people like just about everywhere someone is there that’s like hey I watch you oh my god you’re in city. I want to

meet you. And meeting people and hugging people, it’s like really nice to do that no matter where I go in the world. So, I

I think that’s going to continue. I’m writing books. Like I I love writing books. I’m hoping that I’ve been working

with a few authors because I do own Synchronicity Publications and I’m working with a few authors. So, I’m really hoping that this is the year that

finally we’re ready to launch to really like build synchronicity publications into a a force in astrology because I

love being a part of books. I think books are immortal. They become part of the cannon. They exist forever once they’re out in the world. And so, I love

that. I I I love facilitating that in others. And I love doing that for myself as well. And of course, the school,

we’ve got these incredible teachers. I mentioned earlier Maurice Fernandez, we just had Gemini Brett, we have like so many amazing, we just had Steven Forest,

lots of incredible teachers continuing to to be with us, to grow with us.

And so that’s really amazing. And what else? I’ll be at UAC. UAC is coming up, so I’m really looking forward to that.

That’s the United Astrology Conference.

It’s considered like the Olympics of astrology, and I’m looking forward to that. Yeah. Yeah. And um how do you how do you nurture yourself?

You do so many things and plus your brother and I just I it just popping in my mind right now like school, teaching,

readings, gatherings, family. Um what’s the what’s the secret? What’s the

secret? I don’t know. Like you just live, right? Go where you’re called to go on a heart level. I think that’s it.

Like it’s just and like I said, oh Saturn in my first house is like a it never feels like enough and it always

feels like oh there’s more to do there’s more to do. And the thing is though because of that Saturn I’ve been able to do a lot of the things I’ve done right

it’s been able to happen because of that you know that determination I think has made it possible. So yeah.

Yeah I think that’s part of it. Nadalia thank you so much for your time.

I know you have a full agenda. So, I really appreciate you sharing a little bit of your story with us. Hope to have you back to talk more about you know how

2026 um you know treated you, happened for you with all those uh transits in Aquarius. And is there anything you know

a message or a quote or some advice you want to give the audience?

Sure. I have a quote up here. It’s all the way up there. Let me see if I can angle this. Maybe you can see it. A

quote up there. It says, “Have faith in yourself and in your future and in the future, rather. Have faith in yourself and in the future.”

So that’s one of the the quotes I have.

Uh I got that in England. Everything I my walls are filled with art. I love art. I love color. And so that’s one of

the things that that I have there. So that would be my closing quote. Have faith in yourself and in the future.

Thank you so much Nadia for your time and your wisdom and you know hope to see you soon. Wishing you a happy well yeah

basically 2026 that just kicked off with all these Aries stellium and thank you guys for staying until the end. Don’t forget to visit the link below where you

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So Nadalia, thank you again and see you in the next episode. Bye everybody.