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Why Aries? Why is it so important in the chart and and you know world like in geopolitics as well?
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Aries was conjunct to my eighth house moon. So that so that explains a lot.
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And in that re relocation chart, Arys is right on my MC. Is it an accident that I
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wrote a book on errors? I I don’t think so. Right. And and we’re seeing what’s
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happening. it’s it’s not over that that there’s a shift occurring and democracy itself is really nothing more than a
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social experiment. We we are the first society since ancient Greece to be to be
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a democracy and it’s and it’s very very fragile. Obviously,
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Aerys is going to form a a square to the Pluto in the United States chart nine
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times beginning June of next year and and the third the the ninth one at the
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end will be in 2030. So the ne the next five years are going to be absolutely
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swallowed up in a sense or just awakened by all this energy. the the word that
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really became the key word as we moved through the uh pandemic was the word
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essential. It it’s a it’s a Taurus word and Uranus was in Taurus at at that
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time. Ers has been active longer than that. Aris was discovered in 1920 in
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1923. We saw her for the first time and and within the next five years we
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had the Great Depression and then we went into World War II. All of these things were really irreient in nature
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because each one of them in their own way made us see something in our society
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here in the United States especially that we were not seeing. And right now we’re getting the biggest the biggest
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hit of all with with the way that the the politics are going. It Eris is
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saying this doesn’t work anymore. It’s exact exactly what’s happening saying this no longer works.
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Heat. Heat.
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Welcome back again to another backstage astrology episode. My name is Maria Medina and today I’m so happy to be with
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Daniel Ferson, evolutionary astrologer. Daniel, how are you today and thanks for
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being here. I’m wonderful. I’m especially well here today to be here with you. So
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appreciative for to be able to speak with you today. Daniel, thank you so much. Can you tell
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people a little bit about what you do? Um I mean I usually ask them who are they behind the astrologer but first I
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want people to know the the type of astrology you do. I’m an I’m an evolutionary astrologer
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and my work is after the work of Jeffrey Wolf Green who who was one of the original people
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who actually began to work with this methodology. Basically, in a nutshell, the difference
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between evolutionary astrology and other western astrology is is is that and
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again I hope I don’t insult any western astrologers because I I believe that I believe it’s all good. I don’t think
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there’s such a thing as good or bad astrology unless it’s just not well, you know, thought out. But but the big
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difference is that western astrology for the most part is descriptive. It it tells you who you are, which is okay.
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But I think that most of us by the time we get to a certain point in our lives already know who we are. Evolutionary
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astrology tells us why we are who we are. It g it goes behind the the the
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understanding of our our lives to explain you know may perhaps yes explain
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the successes though the successes generally u you know
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we take them for granted to some degree. We want to take it for granted but we we understand them. It’s the crises that we
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don’t understand. It it takes the hard part and the the basis of the work is to
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understand that we grow through crisis. We don’t grow through achievement necessarily. You know when we achieve
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something you know we think okay I did that. I’m done. And you know it’s it’s a done deal. When when we fail at
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something or something pushes us back, that’s when we have to really look at it
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and say, well, what happened here? Why did that happen? Why am I having why why do I keep having these same recurring
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incidents in my life that that just happen time after time no matter what I
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do. Wonderful. Wonderful. And very detailed explanation. Thank you so much. Because sometimes people exactly they don’t
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understand the differences between you know one branch and the other one. I had
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a reading with Daniel and I have to tell you it was pretty amazing in the sense that Daniel told me the story not only
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of my chart but also of my evolutionary path in very uh easy to understand ways.
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And it sounds like I’m promoting you but I really had a great time and I learned so much. There’s still a lot to unpack
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from that reading, but the way that you were telling me that story was really
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wonderful for me and obviously discovering a lot of things that I didn’t know about myself. But Daniel, tell us why
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evolutionary astrologer? Why what draw drew you to this um to this branch?
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It’s a good question and it’s not necessarily an easy one to ask. I I I don’t have, you know, specifics that
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say, well, I woke up one day and I wanted to be an astrologer. It it really astrology found me. I didn’t find it.
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And it it really began many many years ago. I was just wandering through a bookstore and I h my eye caught this one
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of these big books that sits on a cocktail table. It had and it had a picture on it of this wonderful looking
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20 huge lion. And the lion was had his was looking at me. He looked right up at
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me and it it obviously caught my attention. I I almost could you I was just drawn in and I needless to say I
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bought the book I took it home and that was the beginning of my journey. The the and I I the book was about Leo. I should
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I should say that the book was the book was all about the sign of Leo. You know
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Leos, you know, want to know about themselves of all of all the signs of the zodiac. That’s the one at the top of
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the list that wants to know who they are. So it it it was just a natural thing. It it was a it’s very
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serendipitous. Wow. Daniel, and what are your big three if you want to share with us? You have
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some Leo in your chart or I I’m I’m a sun in Leo. Obviously, I was born in July, but I have I have three
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planets in Leo in my 12th house. The sun is there and they’re strung together.
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There are two two conjunctions that actually are pretty the three of them are are relatively wide apart, but
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they’re chained. So I have my sun, my Jupiter and my Pluto all all work all
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working in tand in my 12th house. And the 12th house is not a Leo house. The
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the 12th house is is a Neptune house. So it it’s interesting because it’s what
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has for years, you know, and that that trip through the bookstore was at least
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50 years ago, maybe even more, maybe close to, you know, I I I’ll leave it
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alone. I don’t want to be that old but it it occurred a long long time ago and
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it so it was a path that really came up early in my life to to follow metaphysics. I learned about it and
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tarot you know through the years as well. So there’s been a whole whole lineage of the ancient teachings that
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have attracted me drawn me in. And needless to say, in the 12th house, which which these are all 12th house
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events, I’ve I’ve always felt that that it was just something that in one way or another I’ve done before, especially
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being an astrologer. I I I often kid myself and say I must have been a scribe in Egypt because I’m I’m just just so,
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you know, involved with it. Wow. Amazing. And how have you lived
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that Leo energy in in the 12th house? because the 12th house is you know a
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little bit misunderstood I think and everyone lives it differently. So how
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has it been for you to have that sun and jupiter and pluto in the 12th house?
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My my journey has been a series of life cycles where I you know I didn’t just all of a sudden become an astrologer. I
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had two three other careers that and each one of them I thought that that’s
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my dharma. That’s what I was that’s what I came here to do to to do these separate things that I was doing. Uh but
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as I as I realize it the at least the last one itself I was I was an IT tech
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for many years and I realized it was about helping other people. Yes, I was
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doing something that I enjoyed. I was working with a science and astrology is clearly a science. It’s a divine
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science. But I it it was a very non Leo kind of of connection for me because it
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wasn’t it was about me but it wasn’t about me. It was about my ability to share me with with other people. And so
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astrology became I became magnetized to it because it was so fulfilling from
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that perspective to be able to sit with somebody and just help them understand
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themselves. Um but but I had to have all those other careers. I I I was in my 60s
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before I actually sat down in front of my first client, you know, 17 18 years
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ago. You you have you have to have enough enough of your own life experiences getting knocked down enough
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times and standing up again and begin to understand what those those crises are about in order to be able to sit with
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somebody else and and be able to get, you know, understand what they’re going
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through because you’ve gone through it yourself. Great. So Danielle, before we continue with your own story, I really want to
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brings uh people people’s attention to the fact that you just wrote an amazing book about Aries, which is one of the
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reasons why I got to know your YouTube channel and I approached you and also you know I bought other things from you
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certain products, astrology products. So tell us more why Aries? Why is it so important in the chart and and you know
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world like in geopolitics as well? Well, first of all, the thing that was most remarkable for me was when I realized
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that Aerys was conjunct my eighth house moon. So that so that explains a lot.
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And you and I had a discussion last week about uh reloc relocation charts. And in
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that re relocation chart, Aerys is right on my MC. And what’s really remarkable
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about it is that every time it goes retrograde, it flips back and forth over my MC. It’s got it done it six times in
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the past couple years. So, is it an accident that I wrote a book on
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errors? I I don’t think so. Right. Right. I’ I’ve I’ve always been interested in mythology and the Greek
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mythology obviously is so closely related to all of the astrological archetypes that it became a natural to
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to really delve into it and I began to I be began to speak about Eris
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a talk that I did here locally back in in 2009. So that that was my first uh and she was
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discovered in 2004 actually 2005. She was discovered twice in a sense. The
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first time they didn’t know it was her but that that’s her nature. But I I realize that I am an arian nature have
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an AI nature. I I am have often been uninvited but end up
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finding a seat at the table anyway. And and that’s who and that’s who she is.
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We we and we all have her in our chart. It’s where we say, “No, I can’t do this anymore. I can’t I I I have to say
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something about this. I have to act. I have to make this obvious that we can’t
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continue to go on in this fashion.” Whether it’s personally, collectively, in our neighborhood, in, you know, in in
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our work and whatever it is that we do, we we we have to really begin to understand that when something needs to
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change, somebody has to be the the uh the the one to say, “Okay, let’s go.
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This is the direction we need to go in.” And that’s who Eris is. And I and to some degree, I’ve always been that way.
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Wow. So, do you have the book with you? Can can you show us the book if you have it there with you so people can see the
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book and the the covers because apparently the covers are important. Oh wow.
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Beautiful. Fairies sacred feminine force of evolutionary astrology.
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Very beautiful. Hold this still here. There we go. That’s so exciting. I can’t wait to read
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it. Is it out already or when when is it going to be out? If to anybody who’s
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local in the states, I have copies, especially if somebody wants a signed copy, but it will be available on
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Amazon. You and you can pre-order it. Just go to Amazon and type in my last name and it and it’ll come up there. And
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I’ve written a few other books. You’ll see those, too. Those those were a few years ago. But nothing like this. And
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and you uh you’ll you can order it and have it. It’s a it’s it’s a I think it’s
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a good read. I think I’m I’m sure it will be a good read. And especially for those who have
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Aries in a specific angle on their charts or you know conjunct some other
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um main planet. I personally have Aries and Lilith. That’s what drove me to your
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to your work to understand more like oh my god who are these goddesses like what did they do? So that’s how I connected
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with your work as well. But tell us why is it so important today? because I’ve heard um from you and from other uh
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fellow astrologers that Aries play uh she played a a very specific role during
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2020 during the pandemic. So can you tell us more about her role and how she’s shaping all these structures that
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now are falling apart in a way? Yeah, it’s not it’s not just the pandemic but we can we can start with
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that. the the word that really became the key word as we moved through uh uh
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the uh pandemic was the word essential. Time and time again we heard about
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essential businesses, things that were essential. It it’s a it’s a Taurus word and Uranus was in Taurus at at that
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time. So we we were it was beginning to uncover
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what was really essential for our well-being. Uh obviously it caused a lot
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of unwell-being but sometimes that’s how it works. Era erys has been active
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longer than that. Eris was discovered in 1920 in 1923. We saw her for the first
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time and and within the next five years we had the great depression and then we went into World War II. All of those all
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of those things happened as Aerys as Aerys ingressed Aries at the beginning
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of our of our century and she’s she’s going to remain there really until the until the almost the
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end of this century until until 20 uh the 2050s. So
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she has been all all of the events that we have that we have had whether it was the 60s, whether it was the the war in
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Vietnam, all of these things were really in nature because each one of them in
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their own way made us see something in our society here in the United States
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especially that we were not seeing. And right now we’re getting the biggest the
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biggest hit of all with with the way that the the politics are going. Now yesterday was huge in in our country. I
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don’t know if you you’ve seen any of the headlines, but we the the there was a a huge shift to the left away from what’s
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been going on. Uh two two women are now governors of their states, Democrat
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Democratic women. And it it’s it’s it’s it’s a it’s a it’s a it’s a realization,
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you know, of the 80 80 million people who turned out at the note kings uh marches over the past couple of months
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that that there’s a shift occurring. Uh I I have another uh piece that I’ve been
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working on. It’s not quite ready, but it’s also about errors. And it’s it’s there there there is a a really
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interesting aspect that’s about to occur. it’s already occurring because you know Aerys has a 577year
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orbit. So it’s not like she’s she’s come and gone in in a week or two or a month.
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You know it’s it’s it’s decades that that she hangs around when she makes some of these aspects. But Aerys is
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going to form a a square to the Pluto in the United States chart nine times
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beginning June of next year. and and the third the the ninth one at the end will
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be in 2030. So the ne the next five years are going to be absolutely u
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what’s the word u thinking of an arician word to to use here absolutely swallowed
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up in a sense or just awakened awakened I guess by all this energy and and we’re
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seeing what’s happening it’s it’s not over I think that I’d like to think that because the yesterday’s election was so
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positive that you know the worst is over but it’s not. It’s just that we’re just moving through the early days of this.
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it uh to just to to bounce around a little bit. If we if we look at Neptune and as well as Pluto, the United States
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right now is moving through a time frame that is a repeat of not just the American Revolution, which when the last
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time that Pluto was in Capricorn, which is where where it is in the US chart and where it has been up until it entered
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Aquarius recently. But also um uh the US civil war when there was a
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Neptune opposition, Neptune opposing Neptune in the US chart. Both of those
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both of those transits are happening simultaneous and now and and you know
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for the for the next couple of years and and they they began a couple of years ago. So we’re moving through that same
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thing and we can see it. That’s exactly what we’re seeing is is the uh the
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revelations that all of the things upon which this country was founded upon have
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really been really not materialized in the way that our founding fathers hoped that they would. And there’s no blame
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here. It’s it’s it’s an evolutionary thing. We all grow. The thing is a country doesn’t just grow in in you know
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85 years. A country grows over two or 30 hundred years. And democracy itself is
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really nothing more than a social experiment. We we are the first society since ancient Greece to be to be a
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democracy and it’s and it’s very very fragile obviously. So the these are the
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lessons that we’re learning how easily it is for money and and greed to
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overcome what really is righteous or spiritual or
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you know good for everybody rather than self-oriented. But what’s happening is that we’re
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beginning to recognize that in essence we’re like a colony of ants.
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There’s only one of us on this planet. And and and until we begin to to work
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that way, we’re we’re going to continue to have these individual groups and and
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people who are going to just take advantage of whatever power or situation or assets they have to to be better than
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everybody else. And it and it it just doesn’t work. And it’s it’s it Eris is saying this doesn’t work anymore. It’s
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exact exactly what’s happening. say this no longer works.
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So just for um people to for those who maybe don’t know much about Aries and I should have asked you this before but
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can you just explain briefly uh what is her? Is she like an asteroid? Is she a
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fixed star? And how long it’s her orbit? Like some like introductory tiny details
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for those who don’t know. Good good one. Yes. Uh so erys Aerys is
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a planet and she she was first cited in 2003.
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She’s out beyond the Kyper belt. The Kyper belt is the area beyond Neptune where all the the asteroids and all
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those um she was first captured herself. She was seen on on a film plate, but
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they thought she was a a fixed star. Two years later when they were when they were capturing Sedna, they saw that that
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little dot had moved. That that’s that’s the that’s the accurate story. And so
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they realized that she wasn’t a fixed star. She was a planet. And that’s when all the tomalt began
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because what was she? And Erys’s discovery alone upset not just the world
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of astronomy but the world of astrology as well. The fact that she even existed.
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And the what happened is the international astrological union at the
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IAU which which oversees all the naming of planets and there it’s a major
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astronomical society organization. They decided that they had to define what
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does it mean to be a planet. The the definition of a planet went back to
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Galileo. It hadn’t changed since Galileo. And all that G all that Galileo
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said is that it was a wandering star. Okay. So, so here we are, you know, what
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a thousand years later with with this new object in the sky. What is it? So, they they sat down and they made up a
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whole new set of rules as to what is a planet. Well, that in itself was a whole
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revolutionary event as well because Pluto got demoted because it didn’t
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fulfill all the requirements that they that they delineated and then erys was
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named not just some kind of an an asteroid or some object. It became a planet a dwarf planet itself. They
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created a whole new category of called dwarf planets. Okay. Mhm.
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Well, as an evolutionary astrologer who believes that Pluto is the entry point into the natal chart to really begin to
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understand the the the astrological puzzle of the chart. No, that that just
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doesn’t sound right. That’s so I we have, you know, it is what it is. But it
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the whole the whole thing really threw threw everything up in the air. It it was, you know, like they threw up all
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the silverware and see where it lands. And so
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it just this beginning ju just this discovery story begins to tell you
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something about her. Mhm. Okay. Disruption. No. And discord discord.
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Discordia if you say in English. Discord or something. Discordant. Yes.
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Yes. Very discordant. It it upset two huge sciences.
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So so that’s that’s where we sit today. And we’re still discovering many many
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more objects out there more more than can be discovered. this this new one. I don’t want to I don’t want to get into
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three eye atlas, but we we’re all of a sudden there’s this whole new uh
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universe that we recognize that we’re part of that we never knew existed. And it’s huge. And clearly, you know, from a
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cosmological perspective, spiritual perspective, it it indicates that we are in the verge of a huge leap of
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evolutionary leap of of who we are. And it and it’s what we’re going through and what’s happening here on earth as well
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is is a reflection of it. Is is the immediate evidence outside our front
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door. What’s happening in our neighborhood, our town, our country, our where we live, what’s happening
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globally, you know, as far as the literally as the eye can see. So it’s it’s we we were blessed to be born in
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interesting times. Definitely not boring at all, but Right. Yeah. Yeah.
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So what can you tell us a little bit more about I think nobody has talked about it in in the podcast you know this
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this trans neptunian objects like Aries and and Sedna and I don’t know Orcus I
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think there are a little so in the revolutionary astrology how do you work with those specifically if I can ask
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um there there isn’t a lot of if there there are um understandings of these
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outer planets. But I I think that Aerys, as far as I’m concerned, and Sedna are are really the significant ones because
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they’re they’re the larger objects. We’ve got H Homea and Maki Maki. Uh-huh.
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We they haven’t been in our awareness long enough to really know and we it
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there’s there’s been mythology that’s been applied to them and the mythology seems to to be a fit seems to work that
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u that said is is is about loss. It it is
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about pain. It’s about u uh you know really it’s it’s about increasing
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consciousness but it’s it’s through through through difficulty. I I think I think the books are still
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being written. I I think it’s too early to say that’s to delineate this is what it is because we haven’t had enough time
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to really study it. We we I think there’s more material in on Aerys because we can track her. But the the
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the outer TNO’s, trans Neptunian objects, their orbits are so long. Sedna
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is is is uh 2,000 years. Okay. Excuse me. 20 20 not 2 20,000
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years. So So how Yeah. So how can we possibly get a grip on it? Okay.
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I see. What what what what’s interesting though just to jump around a bit is Sedna is conjunct Uranus right now. We
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we have to uh learn to just be observers and as we observe the world around us
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collectively and individually we will begin to learn firsthand
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what these these trans neptunian objects really mean. We we have to we have to study
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them. We have to be a student before we can be a teacher or a professor and say de you know delineate with with you know
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great you know affirmation this is what this means. I I think it’s I think it’s
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too to go there interesting. So how long did it did it
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took you did it take you writing that book? How was the process of writing this book about Aries?
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Well it’s it’s a good question. uh like like I said I my first my first public talk was was 18 18 years ago something
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like that and I’ve been I’ve been writing about her ever since and observing her in in in my life and in
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the and in clients who are coming and also in you know in studying it and thinking about it and and looking at the
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transits the the book the book really covers a lot of that material because I have I have looked at everything that’s
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happened that is eras had some role in since
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since it was discovered in the 1920s and there there’s a lot that’s been
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revealed. You can look at some of those dates and you know you say, “Oh my god, that’s yeah, that’s why that happened.
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It makes sense.” And it also adds context to our understanding of the the
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concept of of karmic necessity that we that we only really grow through crisis.
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We don’t stop smoking because our doctor or our life partner or our mother or father says, “Don’t smoke. They’re bad
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for you.” We don’t stop until the mi the the morning in the middle of winter that we wake up and we can’t breathe and, you
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know, we’re afraid we’re not going to see spring. That’s when we think about stopping. And so this is this is the
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process. We we will encounter these these crises where we need to change. And that’s what Aerys does. She throws
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she throws these these potholes and and obstacles in our way or or tear
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something up that that we take for granted to make us see that we are investing our ourselves and our personal
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growth on things that are really worthless and not only worthless but in
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some cases actually uh destructive to our personal growth that that they’re taking us backward making us ill making
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us sick by you know there’s a whole litany of things that you know when I when I grew up you could walk through
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the supermarket and you could pull anything off the shelf and take it home and you’re okay. Now you have to walk
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through the supermarket with a magnifying glass to read every ingredient that’s in that bottle or can or box because most of it is being made
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in a chemical factory. Yeah. and and then you know you hear that this person has cancer and that
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person has cancer and it’s it’s it’s just increasing everywhere we go and it’s because we are what we eat and
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that’s a very old adage. It’s it’s it’s a uh an you know
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food is medicine and and use your medicine use your food as medicine and medicine as your food. It’s uh it it’s
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it it it’s true that we are what we eat and it it’s really changed what’s going
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on in most of the supermarkets right now is is scary. It’s it’s a it’s something
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that’s really unnatural. So now that Aries well she’s going to be
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in Aries, you know, until you know long. But um I
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was thinking that that Saturn and Neptune are reaching Aries next year and
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Saturn specifically will start you know his journey. How do you foresee that
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conjunction between Saturn and Aries? I I don’t know exactly when it’s happening
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but I know it’s probably in the next few years with Saturn approaching Aries in Aries.
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Okay. All right. The fir the first thing I have have to lay a foundation for interpretations and and how how planets
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work and interact with each other. There’s an evolutionary astrology concept of the idea of evolutionary
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states and in a nutshell it’s the consciousness that’s brought to the event that
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determines the outcome of the event the nature and the quality of it. So if someone is in a consensus heard state
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mentality, they are going to have a different experience than to somebody who is
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individuating recognizing who they are beginning to act consciously to grow or
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somebody who’s totally spiritualized. You know there haven’t been a lot of them around in you know the past
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thousand years lately let’s say. Yeah. Ramdas you know we I think he’s a
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beautiful example. It’s the consciousness that’s brought to it explains why two babies born within feet
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of each other in the hospital and minutes apart have totally different life life experiences. They have the
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same transits uh the same things happening to them but they respond to those events in a different way.
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So it it’s how we res respond not react to what happens that’s going to
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determine the outcome. So we we could look at any of these conjunctions from those kinds of perspective. You know,
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Saturn and Neptune on one level is is taking responsibility for your your
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ability to have compassion to to see through the morass of of stuff that’s
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going on and begin to sort it out to to to take responsibility for it. Or it can
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be someone who wants to take control of it and somehow use it for to their advantage. See, or it could be somebody
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who just does is so blown away by it that that emotionally it it it just it
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they feel lost. They’re at sea. You know, it’s a good Neptunian word. They’re they’re they’re they’re at sea.
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They’re they’re floating on a raft in the middle of the the the ocean and they don’t know where land is. So again,
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there there’s multiple ways that each of these things will occur.
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My my hope obviously and I will say that it is hope that that these that a
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transit like that will have pe have a lot of people just like what happened
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here yesterday in the United States is as the voter returns came in that people are going to take responsibility for the
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collective Saturn Neptune they’re going to take responsibility for our our uh
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our uh global consciousness not just our individual, you know, what what do I
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need? Oh, I want to get a new car. Well, that’s fine. You can have a new car, but we we we we need we need a new form of
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government, you know, more importantly. So, so that that’s the way we have to
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address it. We have we have to know who’s looking at it, who’s walking through that space,
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and you know, again, are we talking about an individual, a country? It so many levels that are operative here,
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it’s very hard to define it specifically. The the bigger one to me is the Iran Sedna. I think that that
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that is that is huge. I I I I did a I if you go on my website evolutionaryastrologer.net,
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I I did a forecast. I did a whole write up on it. Oh yes, you’re very active writing. I
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can see I’m here on his website, guys. I’m going to leave his his website which is evolutionarystrologer.net.
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I will leave it in the description below. And he and Daniel is writing a lot actively about segna conjunct Uranus
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Aries the Libra new moon the winds of change and yeah I can see the warrior
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meets the mystic. Oh that’s beautiful. There’s a lot of content on your website. So tell us more about your your
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journey as an astrologer. You you can find me on YouTube at at uh
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YouTube fver. It’s pretty simple. Uh More recently, I have also been doing
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YouTubetubes and a webinars for Kepler College as well. So, you you can go to the K you can go
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to the Kepler College web uh YouTube page as well and see some of what I’ve
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done. But I I I do I do them pretty regularly, but most mostly I I put them
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out on on Facebook and on in on my on my website.
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Okay. So Daniel, how um like if someone wants to become an evolutionary astrologer
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there there there are a number of of good sources that are out there. First of all, uh the Jeffrey Wolf Green School
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is available and I I studied there. It it’s changed. Jeffrey Jeff is no longer
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um really part of it. It’s it’s his daughter and a lot of the graduates who
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are running it. There is talk that Kepler College also wants to put together their own certification class
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and so we’re working towards that. It’s hard because there’s there’s they’re tied into a lot of copyright
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restrictions. There’s been some hesitation. Honestly, I am toying with the idea of I
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I was teaching classes about eight eight years ago and I I stopped when I got really involved with with writing and
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and uh being online in in those kinds of situations. I I I didn’t do any more
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classes, but I’m I’m really considering uh relaunching a a class. I have I have
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a a third manuscript. I’m quite busy. I have a third manuscript that that is the
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is the core principles of evolutionary astrology. And I can I’m certified so I can certify people. I can’t certify them
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as Jeffrey Wolf Green, but I can certify certify them as an evolutionary astrologer. So I’m this is one this is
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one of the things that I’m working towards in in uh 2026 to be able to
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actually you know have a class maybe 15 20 you know serious students and we’ll
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get together and I will teach it to them test them out certify them and and uh
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show them how to do it. That’s amazing. So this is for 2026. What other plans do you have uh coming
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besides the book and and this idea and working with Kepler College? Well,
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actually I’m I’m also developing a a an erith class for Kepler and that’s al
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that’s also that’s also in Cypion. It’s just beginning. We’ve we’ve been talking about it for a while, but now that the
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book is published, uh we’re we’re going to go ahead and do it. So that that’s probably going to be the first the next
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project that that I’m going to, you know, birth is is to uh bring people into Kepler College because I think
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they’re a wonderful institution. They do a lot to to they, you know, foster every
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kind of astrologies, not just EA. Um, they have no EA, which is why they’re
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talking to me. But but but the the AIS class, I think,
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is going to be a lot of fun. It’s going to be work. We’re, you know, it’s going to be like going to school. It’s not, you know, come just read my book and,
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you know, talk about it. uh we we do exams, we do test outs, we do uh chart
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interpretations, we do a lot of chart work but but it’s a great experience and when they come through it uh they they
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will have a really firm understanding of of at least erys how a works and they will also absorb by osmosis a lot of
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evolutionary astrology because that’s what I bring to it. It’s not just it’s not just a from traditional western
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astrology. It’s erys through the lens of evolutionary astrology.
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It it’s it’s a whole it’s a whole different whole different perspective. How do you prepare for an evolutionary
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reading? And also I wanted to ask you because when you’re an astrologer, especially evolutionary astrologer,
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maybe there is a fine line between being the astrologer and then you maybe become like a psychologist or a therapist. H
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how do you deal with that like fine line with your clients or with your All right, the the easy answer is that I
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leave a lot of that to my spirit guides.
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I I when when somebody contacts me, I I basically send them a, you know, a short
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email and I explain to them what the what’s going to be involved and what we can do. But I’m it’s about them. It’s
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not about me trying to spoon feed them everything I know. I want to know what it is that they want to know about their
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lives. What do they need in order to go forward and and to find the, you know,
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be on beyond their feet substantially. So, it it’s really not about me and it’s
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not about EA. It’s about the clients themselves and what what they want to
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take away because again that’s that’s a pretty wide spectrum of uh you know in
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90 minutes there’s no way that I can do it all. I I walk everybody through a
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chart. I I try I ask them enough questions to gauge their astrological
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knowledge. You know do you want to know about what this means? You just want to know the astrology? You know how do you
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do you understand what a sign, a house or a planet is? you know, we go through some of the basics just to understand
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who they are to be able to deliver the information to them in a way that they can digest it and then go forward and
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work with it. And you know quite frankly not not to you know uh minimize it but I
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feel at the end of the end of the day may if the client takes away one
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important thing about themselves that they need to know and work on that I’ that I’ve done a good job. I I I’m not
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trying to fix them and everything that’s wrong with them. I want them to be able to fix themselves but I want to start
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where it is that they’re having their greatest problem. whether it’s a relationship, whether it’s their their
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there some fear, insecurity they have or whatever it is and to go outward from
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there and obviously sometimes it’s more than one one consultation where we work
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through it and you know we meet we meet al I can encourage everybody also to come for solar returns to to follow up
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to you know to okay I saw you six months ago what’s happened since then and where
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are you with all this and you know let’s let’s look at the next 12 months So it’s it’s a progress it’s a
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progressive process but it’s guided by what they need not what I feel I need to
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teach them. Oh that’s so beautiful. Yeah. Also in our reading and maybe people I think
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should know if the like evolutionary is I certainly didn’t know you you told me there is like a Pluto point. I can’t
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remember the the concept now but there is Pluto and then the other point. Can
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you point right the Pluto polarity point? Yeah, I was that was fascinating
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because it certainly helped me personally understand about you know my
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Pluto in the sixth house and all these things. So can you introduce us a little bit to to to that concept so people can
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learn something also about it? the the the the core the core work with
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evolutionary astrology works AC across two axes two a two oppositions in the
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chart Pluto and the Pluto polarity point Pluto holds the information of what
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you’ve brought in with you into this lifetime the lessons that you’ve been working on and are going to continue to work on the Pluto polarity point are the
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lessons your soul wants you to work on going forward the new ones. These are
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the new ones. This is what you you yes you are working on these others that you brought with you but this is where the
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direction that you need to take it and that information gets transferred to the lunar nodes to the south node which
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holds all the emotional nature that we’ve brought in with us our mother you know our our anger level or all all the
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things that that that that um that that cause us to act without with you know
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instinctively it’s it’s instinctive um all everything that’s really in in in
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that Pluto capsule. And then the the the north node again is is the the the lunar
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nodes are the the evolutionary trajectory, the karmic trajectory from
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past to future. So the the the lunar node, the north lunar node wants the
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information of that Pluto polarity point. what where what what does your soul what’s your soul’s assignment in
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this lifetime specifically what should I be working on by the time we get through
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th those two we basically have the entire chart in our hands and then we
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know well we know what Mars is going to do because Mars is going to act upon Pluto’s desires we know what Venus is
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going to do because we we understand what what what uh we need to do in order
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to find our own values and and what what’s important to us, etc. We can take all the other planets and they all fit
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in to that framework and and that’s why that’s why it’s so good. It’s not, you
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know, it’s not, you know, jumping around. Well, you have you have Mars in Aries, you’re going to get angry. Well,
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you know, it’s a it’s a little bit more than that. It’s it it it it tells you, you know, what what your Mars is
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actually going to do specifically by house and by sign, but mostly in correlation to those core core desires
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and those core um energies in the chart itself. And it that’s what evolutionary
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astrology defines are those are between the lunar nodes and and Pluto and the
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Pluto polarity point. Wow. I think it’s fascinating how you
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explain it and how much information it can give us as well beyond what we know you know the you know the basic like
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western astrology concepts that we already know but Daniel can you tell us
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also um if you have the book with you can you read like you know a part of your book
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or can you show us the so what do you got there let’s take a look table of
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contents you read it it’s hard to read it gets blurry Let me let me read it. Let me read it to you.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Come on. U some of some of these are kind of poetic. The long the long arc of become
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the long arc of becoming and a journey through the heavens really is a is a kind of a mini memoir of my own journey
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of of kind of the story I told you of how I found astrology, how it found me, how I came to do this work.
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We are stardust. I borrowed from Joanie Mitchell because because we we we are
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part of the universe itself. We are not separate from it. We’re not just some little speck of flesh, you know,
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standing on some dirty ground. We we what’s as above so below. What what’s
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around us is who we are, not just where we are. And and and we have to have that
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understanding to to recognize that we’re part of a much greater cosmos than than
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we imagine. That those are not dead space rocks out there circulating around us. They they they we are connected to
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each and every one of them through the planetary position of each of them in our chart. That energy energy energy
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cannot be created or destroyed. It it it exists, you know, and we are that same
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energy. That’s why we we the the concept of eternal return where we keep coming
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back lifetime after lifetime. We come up from the animal kingdom. We move to consensus to individuate it to
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spiritualize. We we We are always in a constant state of growth. And as and as we move through
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that, we we we activate and express what it is that that state of being has for
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for not just for us but for what’s around us as well. Um then I I I get
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there was no stone age. I I hate a lot of modern history because they you know this the stone age and the gist of of
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that chapter is you know 2,000 years from now they’re going to call us the plastic age because we call we call it
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the stone age because the only thing that has survived for those centuries is made out of stone. Well plastic age
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because the only thing that’s going to survive our civilization at the moment is made out of plastic.
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Wow. So I talk about that a little bit. Um, then I get into the astronomy of Aerys,
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the mythology of Arys, and I I obviously I focus on the judgment of Paris, the
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apple of discord, which is the core of the Aris mythology itself.
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I talk about apples. Apple is just so many apple stories in in uh history. And
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then Helen of Troy. And Helen of Troy is is a key figure here. And she’s been totally misunderstood.
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She wasn’t a wanting woman. uh she was really quite quite intelligent and
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um I don’t I don’t want to give away the punchline here but but but the chapter
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is is is I I describe how er Helen is erys how everything that she did was was
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an arician behavior. Okay. Okay. So I I’ll leave I’ll leave I’ll leave
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that to your wrist. It’s a contrary and it’s a really interesting story and and
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nobody’s talked about this before. May you never heard it? No. Yeah. No. No. Nobody’s talked about this. I get into the astrology of Aerys
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which is you know pretty much mundane astrology and then I talk about the Pluto Aerys and the and Pluto Aerys uh
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and Neptune Aerys cycles which are very long cycles between these other planets and the major things that have happened.
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uh I get into some u local not local some uh modern history the rise of
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authoritarianism and social disruptions and then I get into climate change uh
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spiritual traditions that are earthbased through errors and then I talk about a
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nation at the crossroads of power and the billionaire class and the plutoaucracy’s last stand what what’s
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happening right now around us with Pluto moving into Aquarius after Capricorn
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this is the end of putoaucracy. This is the end of of that c the Capricorn age
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where men were good and women, you know, were on their knees scrubbing the floor. This it’s over. It’s it’s it’s it’s been
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there, done that. We’re we’re we’re moving away from from that type of thinking.
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I think the most important part of the book besides the background of Erys itself is that I walk through how Arys
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works in our charts. And so it’s important to understand that with her 577year
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orbit, everybody on the planet right now has Aerys in the sign of Aries,
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unless you were, you know, born before 1929. And I don’t think there’s anybody left on the planet that’s right.
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And so what I do is rather than trying to delineate a in a sign since it’s all
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all in the same sign, I’m I’m a through the houses. And so I it’s really the
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greater portion of the book. I’m in a minute I’m going to give you a referral of of someone who just wrote a really
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really nice good uh a review a review of the book. A review.
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Yeah. And he and he mentioned, you know, all all the other books, you know, have like maybe a paragraph about the chart. Well,
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I I have a page and a half about each of these charts. So you you could really
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get into it and there’s lots of all famous. It’s about 75 famous people and
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they’re not and they’re not all saints. I mean, yes, I did Rambdas, but
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yeah, 75 examples of real people and what their lives are about and how Aerys
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was working in their chart. But, you know, I did Ramdas and I did Jeffrey Dmer. So, you know, it’s there’s the
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whole wide range. It’s not just the saints, it’s also the sinners. And they’re all they’re all in here. And and
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it’s it’s it’s a really important read because this is where you can really look at it and understand by reading
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these these uh chart these chart examples how it’s really working in your chart by house by which house it’s in.
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And then there’s an afterward, you know, there’s there’s some final stuff in there. I’ll read I’ll read you the poem that I
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wrote for the front page. How’s that? Okay. Yeah. Good. She didn’t bow. She didn’t plead. She
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felt no hunger. She had no need. She stood alone outside the wall and threw
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the golden apple to the mall. Upon its side, a phrase declared, “To the
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fairest, none were spared.” The sky split wide, the stillness broke. The
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goddesses turned, the heavens spoke. The god gods took sides. The war began. A
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city burned. And so too man. And she she
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vanished in the flame. No glory saw it. No mortal name. But no one could ignore
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her thread. The truth she tossed. The lie that shed.
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But for Aerys doesn’t storm the gate. She names the cracks. we cultivate.
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Oh, wow. That’s amazing. It’s like it’s poetic
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but also tr like a true like you combined it’s so cool. Wow. I can’t wait
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to get the book. Okay guys, so I think we’re going to leave it here. Daniel, is
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there anything else you want to share with us um about your work, about your plans, or just a message to close this
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um this talk about your work? and Aries. The only thing I will say is kind of a
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sales pitch, not just for me, but for EA. If you’ve never had a reading, a
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reading, a reading with me, a reading for with an evolutionary astrologer will change your life. There’s no question.
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You will you will see aspects of yourself that no one has told you about. The first time I ever sat down to read
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for somebody in a fair 20 years ago, the first woman sat down in front of me and
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I read for her and she said, first thing she said is, “No one’s ever told me that.” And the second thing she said to
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me is, “I am a psychic myself.” And if she had told me that first, I probably
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would have gotten up and walked away because it was the first person I read for publicly. I’ve never looked back
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since that day. Okay, so that that’s what EA does. It will show you parts of yourself that you’re not seeing. If
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you’ve had lots of astrology readings, come and compare this to what you someone else has told you. It’s it’s a
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life it’s life it’s a life-changing event. Not because I did it, but because of where it’s coming from.
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Yeah. I think uh as someone who has had many astrology readings and everyone is
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different and I’ve learned from each you know uh each of the astrologers
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but um but yeah the evolutionary astrology you’re always going to discover parts of yourself that you
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didn’t know were there but most important you will I think for me personally it under it helped me
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understand myself better like oh okay this is this is the reason why h you
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know there’s this pattern pattern and how I can improve or take it in a different in a better path for myself.
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You know, patterns of cycles in my life that repeat and this kind of stuff. So, I think it’s brilliant. H Daniel, thank
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you so much for being here with us tonight. Um, please guys, don’t forget to check out Daniel’s YouTube channel. I
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will leave everything below. I’m also on Instagram as backstitch astrology on YouTube and there is a website also
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backstitchology.com and Daniel’s website which is evolutionarystrologer
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astrology.net yeah.net not.com. Thank you so much Daniel and thank you everyone for
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hanging hanging out with us tonight. See you in the next Thank you May. You’re you are a blessing
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in yourself. Thank you. Thank you Daniel.
