Backstage with Alex Trenoweth
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Welcome to Backstage Astrology, where we take off the expert mask and get real.
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My name is Myra. I’m an astrology enthusiast and also a creative advisor.
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I’ve been helping astrologers with their digital stuff for a few years. And the more I get to see them behind the
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scenes, the more I realize that also our astrologers go through a lot of big
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challenges. is they have big fears, big insecurities. I always wonder what it
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was to be an astrologer, how their lives look like really behind all the cosmic
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wisdom. I always had this question of like how is your life really and also obviously if you can make a living out
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of astrology. So in this new series, I’m trying to talk to astrologers and to
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really understand what goes on with their lives behind the scenes, all the challenges they have faced as
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astrologers before and actually because obviously before maybe if you would tell
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someone you were an astrologer, they would label you in a certain or specific way. This is a story that I keep hearing
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from them. point of this um new series. I want to talk about their doubts, their fears, their breakthroughs, all the
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behind the scenes moments, obviously their personal lives if they are willing to share. This is the goal of this
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podcast is to create genuine connections with astrologers as human beings to to
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get to know them better. And I hope you enjoy this series. Let’s see how many astrologers I can get here. And if
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you’re an astrologer and you have a story you want to share with others, um please just send me an email. I will
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leave all the details below. We’re going to talk about the personal struggles. And in the second part, we kind of dive
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into the transits and insights they are passionate about, the ones that they
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fear the most, the ones that they find most inspiring. Let’s see how this goes.
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And if you really like this conversations, please, please like the video. Help me a little bit with the
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algorithm to get the message across. And obviously, I know this is for a very specific niche. I’m guessing you’re here
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because you love astrology and you admire astrologers as well. And of course, let’s get real. Let’s get real
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with the astrologers. Let’s try to uncover what happens behind the scenes. So, thank you for being here and I
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really hope you enjoy each episode.
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So, living in London, everything’s very cramped. So, to find one thing, I got to move five other things. So, I have I
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have mirror mirror. I have growing pains. And then Zeus. Oh, this is the one like coming up, right? The one
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you’re you’re Yeah, this is final edits today. So, I just got the the final PDF.
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Uh Steve has done that. How exciting. Yeah, Steve Jud has done the um forward.
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Yep. And um transiting Jupiter is on my Venus today. when I met you in the
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conference and you know when you actually told us you told us that the planet to look at for education is
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Jupiter I was like what is she saying like I I was I was always told that it
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was Mercury because you know learning communication so when you said that because for me it was like like how like
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of and then it’s like of course you know when you when you actually started explaining it I was like it makes all
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the sense in the world so that actually you blew my mind.
Who is Alex Trenoweth?
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I’m honored to be here with Alex Trernowed. She’s an author, teacher, and award-winning astrologer who blends the
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wisdom of astrology with the art of teaching. Like, she’s an actual teacher, so she knows what she’s talking about.
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And now with her pioneering research into the impact of planetary cycles on
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childhood development and education, she has brought astrology not only into the classrooms, but also in conferences
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worldwide, empowering educators, parents, and astrologers and people like me that don’t even have children, but
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you know, I’m so interested in your work. So, Alex, welcome and thank you so much for being here. Please tell us a
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little bit more about you. Like, I mean, I already introduced you, but how would you introduce yourself? What do you want people to know about you? Well, I’m a
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Gemini rising, so it depends on who I’m talking to, which side of me you get, but um I’m I’m kind of a a jack of all
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trades, master of none really, except for astrology and teaching maybe, but I I dabble in a lot of different things.
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Um I’m a musician. I play the trumpet semi-professionally. Um I I I love to
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read. I love literature and and um you know, I’m always reading something and I’d love to write. Um but see, I like to
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play games, you know. Um, so you know, I’m kind of somebody who can have a conversation with anybody and you know,
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I’m genuinely curious about about people and and about situations and places and
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um, you know, I love I love to learn. Yeah. I have to tell the the whoever is watching this that I met her at Chief
Making London an Astrological City
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Happened at the conference that or organized by Steve Jo and she just came into the room and she sat with us and
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she was like drinking wine with us and we were talking about I wasn’t drinking wine. I don’t drink wine.
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I was drinking. Yeah, we were having such a good time and and you were also talking about making London the an
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astrological city. So, just randomly, can you and can you explain the people what you mean by that?
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Well, I mean London is an astrological city. There is so much here. So, one of the things I wanted people to
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experience, um, we started off at St. Paul’s, which of course was where Charles and Diana got married. um you
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know, one of the most ill- fated marriages in history. Um they got married on an eclipse and any astrologer
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would have advised them not to get married on an eclipse. But anyway, and also Megan Markle was born only a couple
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weeks after that. Uh and then I wanted to take you to Bracken House to see the our version of
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the astronomical clock, which is with Winston Churchill’s old offices. Then we went down to Misan Museum and the
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Misarian Museum um is um an old temple mistress museum that was um they were
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excavating to build some uh the tubes extend the tubes and they found this old temple so it’s free to go inside and I
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thought wouldn’t it be great if I can just get all these astrologers in and we could explain precession of the
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equinoxes better than their guides at the museum. Um and then we went to we
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did something else. Oh, we went to see Buudika um the statue of Buudika and um
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Westminster. But I just wanted to like claim uh London as you know a really important area for astrologers.
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Astrologers come you know to London and they don’t know what to look for. But I I’m saying these all these great things
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you can see. So London is or was or or well I want it to be you know a a hub
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for astrology uh people who are interested in in looking at the at the at the city as um this astrological hub.
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It is the financial district of course of of England um with um Fleet Street
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and and you see Mercury everywhere you know Mercantal u you know you see see the god of commerce all over the place
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in in uh London. So, I wanted everybody to experience that. That’s brilliant,
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Alex. Uh, so, so tell us when did you first realize that that astrology would play a central role in your life? I
I thought Astrology was Wrong
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mean, because you’re a teacher and and and a daughter and a mom and a sister, but but know what happened.
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Well, I mean, my mom was reading the u must have been a Sunday supplement. I was maybe pre-teen and um she was
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reading the descriptions of cancer. I’m a cancer son. My birthday’s the 20th of July. and she was saying, “Oh, cancers are
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home loving and shy.” And I was like, “Hm, I guess astrology doesn’t make sense.” And then she’s a Sagittarius and
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of course they’re exuberant and enthusiastic. I was like, “Wow, I think astrology really is wrong.” So if
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anybody asked me what my sun sign was, I’d always say on the cusp of Leo. I had never owned up to being a Cancer. And
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then um in my final year of university, I had a friend who asked me if I was a Leo. And just to be contrary, I said,
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“No, I’m a cancer.” And then she said, “I bet you must have the moon in Leo.”
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And I had never heard of such a thing. And so she did a a rudimentary chart for
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me. And it just looked to me like some sort of magical incantation. And I was really drawn into the symbology and, you
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know, the whole entire thing that she was reading in ephemeris and plotting these planets in. And she finished what
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she was doing and she says, “Yep, there’s a moon in Leo. And if I’ve done my calculations correct, uh you’re a
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Gemini rising, which makes your Mercury in Leo, your ruling planet. And I was
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mind blown. No wonder I felt like a Leo. Wow. And no wonder why your your
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conferences are like so fun and entertaining. I mean, beyond the wisdom that you already provided, but it’s it’s
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really like I mean, if there were popcorn in the conference, I would have like probably bought some. It’s really
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good entertaining. We had a laugh there you know every five minutes with you and at the same time you were you were
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teaching us about these um planetary cycles but you know what were the
Alex on the Hurdles of Bringing Astrology into Education
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challenges the early challenges when you decided I’m going to be an astrologer or I want to you know I want to spend part
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of my life doing this what were the challenges you faced integrating astrology into your profession as a
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teacher because you’re a teacher right like well I mean astrology became um I mean I
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knew I wanted to be a teacher since I was a child. But um you know um I I was
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trying to do astrology classes when I first came to England because I’m actually from Detroit, Michigan. So I came to England and I mean I really made
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things difficult for myself because I had a family when I started studying astrology um in earnest and in fact um I
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had scheduled myself to have my first astrology exam um when my daughter was
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was due. I thought that she was going to be born late, like my sons were born late, but she actually came early. So,
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she was born two weeks before the exam started. So, I there I was breastfeeding a baby and trying to do my astrology
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exams. Um, and then um, of course, I kept piling pressure on myself doing teachers training and then doing the MA
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in cultural astronomy and astrology and and raising a young family. So, I didn’t make things easy for myself, but I did
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persevere. I worked with the faculty for astrological studies and I’ve worked with a lot of different schools and I’m
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going to stick my neck out here and I’m going to say the faculty is the best astrology school because with them I got
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to go to Oxford summer school um and I just really feel that I I I because I’ve looked at other schools and and worked
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with Kepler College and a few others. I really do think the faculty is is the best and um you know I so I stuck it out
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even though I had some setbacks you know I stuck with it and I’m really a very very proud diploma holder. Yeah. Yeah. I
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know you are. Yeah. similar as Nick and and Steve. You you guys met there or
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uh Steve and I um we known each other before. We did the MA together along with Nick Campion who was teaching but
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um we had met at um an astrology camp like an astrology festival and because
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my children were young and because we were going to a lot of festivals we kept running into Steve. So Steve, you know,
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is a very old friend of mine and I lost contact with him for a long time and then really with the past five or six
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years we got back into contact and it was I have to thank Pam Gregory. Um she
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did an interview with me and we got like 40,000 views. I mean 40,000 views and then people started talking to Steve
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about me and so Steve said let’s do some work together. So that’s how that connection happened. Oh okay. Okay.
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Great. So when you um I mean you are a teacher and then you have your astrology
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going on you know it’s a good Gemini doing two or five things probably at the same time. Um so how did you manage you
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know because I understand you were trying to pull astrology into your
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education thing but you faced you also faced some challenges there. Uh what was
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the major setback? Well, I mean, it started off the I mean, my first day of being permanently employed, I I my my
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given name is not Alex. I have a legal name. And um the head teacher, you know, I asked the head teacher, “Do you mind
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calling me Alex?” And she said, “Well, let me think about it.” And so she must have googled me and then I was pulled
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into her office and and because it was a Christian academy uh you know she made it clear that you know if anyone
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complained about me being an astrologer I could be dismissed for gross misconduct for bringing the academy into
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disrepute which you know you know my first day of on the job you know was enough to scare me into shutting up but
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banning me from doing something is a pretty sure way I’m going to squeeze it in somehow. So I started off with sun
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signs which was a disaster. I I I tried to do my seating plan according to sun signs. You know I had all the fire signs
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in one row, all the earth signs in the next, the air signs and the water signs. And of course what happened was the air
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sign h sorry the fire signs took over being loud and boisterous. The air signs shouted over the head of the earth
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signs. The um earth signs just kind of sat there in silent shock and the poor
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water signs started um hugging themselves and rocking to self soo. So, it was like, you know, it’s not it’s not
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only, you know, too hard to remember everybody’s sun sign. Although I probably could get used to it, like
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getting to know names. It’s impractical really. But then one day I was when I was realizing I was thinking, “Oh,
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teaching isn’t for me. It’s too hard. I got too much going on and I was getting ready to quit.” Um, but I remember I was
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teaching McBTH and um as an English teacher and I turned around, looked at them and I thought, “Huh, you guys all
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have the same Jupiter sign.” And then I have my Jupiter sign, my Saturn sign. you all have the same Saturn sign and
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we’re all playing off against each other. And that’s when I realized, wow, I I think there’s something here because
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we teach children by your groups. So, I did a Jupiter cycle of
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observation. Then I wrote Growing Pains. Yes. And then another Jupiter cycle has
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passed and and then I’ve written the follow-up which is Zeus on the Loose. But so, you know, um it it’s I’m a
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different teacher than I was back then. Now, if someone a teacher pulled me into the office and said, “If anybody wants
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to fire you for being an astrologer, I would immediately jump on the bandwagon
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of, you know, religious persecution.” And I’m having my arguments ready. And I kind of wish somebody would challenge
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me, but nobody nobody has. Uh, but I do use astrology differently. I
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mean, I’m not I’m not about sun signs. I’m not against sun signs. I’m just I just don’t use them in in learning
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because I don’t think it’s relevant. Um I say the inner planets are to do with a child’s personality and that’s not my
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responsibility. That’s mom and dad’s responsibility. My job is to teach and that’s Jupiter and Saturn. But when when
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you were you know um called by your this manager director um okay but what about
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your your peers your colleagues were were they interested the other teachers? Were they asking you questions about hey
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Alex what do you think or or not really? Were they supportive or I mean, you
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know, I I think one of the most frustrating things about being an astrologer is people want to treat you like you’re stupid, you know, like, oh,
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you believe in that superstitious or that medieval rubbish, you know, they want to act like you don’t know what
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you’re talking about. Um, and um, you know, so I had to deal a lot with that. And we had a um a speaker uh come to do
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our teaching teachers training and we had been giving his book to read over
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the summer. It was called Bounced and he was advocating to 10,000 hour rule. You know, if you master something, you must
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have spent 10,000 hours practicing it. Well, he was a professional pingpong player. And so he’s talking and I’m
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listening to him talk about 10,000 hour rule. And I’m like, “Wow, I got 10,000 hours as a teacher, easily, 10,000 hours
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as a trumpet player and 10,000 hours as an astrologer.” And just as I was starting to feel really good about it,
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he suddenly throws in, you know, astrology, you know, I don’t understand why astrologers persist in their study
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of astrology when it’s been proven wrong. So then all my colleagues of course turn around and look at me and,
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you know, the look that they give you kind of like, what are you going to say about that? And um you know I thought
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bite your tongue just take it on the chin. But then I got really annoyed and I just thought hold on you don’t know a
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thing about astrology. So I let him have it you know and I told him that as a non-ping pong player I would not even
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question whether or not ping pong was actually a sport let alone a sport for a man. And um you know that shut him up
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pretty quickly and he actually apologized. And so you know that’s kind of the attitude I have to anybody who
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wants to argue with me you know whether or not astrology is true. Well, how much have you studied? I haven’t seen you at
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any conferences, you know. I haven’t seen you in classes and and um you know, I don’t know your name, you know, in the
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astrology circles. So, I I guess you don’t know much about astrology. That that’s my take. Wow. And and and
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how because now it’s shifting now, you know, astrology became popular again and now I guess they are treating you
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differently now or how do you feel about you know that change from where you started up until now? Do you know do you
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feel different people how they treat you or um well I think you know the astrology
How Astrology has evolved ā And what it means Today as an Educator
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world excuse me has changed in in that you know we used to be um you know 10
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years ago that the the fashion was to go to astrology conferences and you know to
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give lectures but now it’s all changing now we’re shifted onto social media right and and like a lot of other topics
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you know astrology doesn’t really get you can’t really get in depth on social media kind of like politics. So I see a
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lot of arguments going on, you know, about things I I don’t think matter. What matters is what you practice. And
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in fact, that’s what I say to people. You know, I don’t believe in astrology either. I practice it. Wow. And uh Yep.
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Go ahead. No, I was just thinking you must have a million experiences and and
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you know accommodating the children according to their moon or Mars, you
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know. Is there any experiment you did that failed or that you’re laugh that
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you can laugh at right now? You were trying the sun signs. Yeah. But um I I
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never really looked at you know I mean once I did the sun sign and that was that was you know a failure. I mean
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obviously we have their date to birth. So I mean I can’t help you know if someone’s got a birthday in October and
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I see the date of birth of course I know they’re either a Libra or Scorpio. I can’t help it. And same with knowing their Jupiter sign. And I know they’re
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Jupiter sunsets because their size, right? Because we’re teaching by your group. But I try not to um well, I don’t
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let my judgment cloud, you know, how I teach other than it advises me um you
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know, gives me ideas, you know, for how I can get a lesson across to different year groups and gives me ideas. It helps
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me generate ideas. But it doesn’t mean that, you know, just because you’ve got a group of Jupiter, I don’t know,
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Jupiter in Virgo students who might be really good at analyzing things, it doesn’t mean that, you know, I’m going
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to stop them from learning things about law or culture or or whatever else. It just I just helped me generate ideas and
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also maybe helps me to understand their weaknesses a bit better so I can get
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more people in to help me on the difficult bits that they have to master because that’s one thing about the
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national curriculum here in England is that it touches all the bases you know whether we want whether we agree with it
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or not there’s lots of different skills that um children can learn but I think astrology can really where I think it
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really comes into its own in teaching is that it helps simplify a teacher’s
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workload. blow because teachers they are overworked. Um it’s ridiculous. Um you
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know how much a teacher actually has to do has to has to get on with and um um
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you know it’s it’s quite an unfair situation. I was at um um a an event
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yesterday um where we were treated as guests like kings and queens and we had three meals. I not just meals but really
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lovely lovely meals. And I just thought to to myself at the end of the day this wasn’t a school event. This was a
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corporate event. I just thought, gosh, I am in the wrong profession, you know, because these guys get paid well, they
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get fed well, they get this beautiful building to work in, and here we are, you know, bringing in our sweaty peanut
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butter sandwiches. So, oh my god, Alex. So, tell us why
Jupiterās Role in the Learning Process
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Jupiter? Why Jupiter? You know, um I I think people are just as curious as I
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was before finding out your work. Yeah. So I mean you know a lot of astrologers want to argue with me about
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you know oh it’s mercury the planet of learning but I don’t think it is u mercury is mercury was a messenger god
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so he he brought the messages from various places and he delivered them he didn’t you know he was a trickster but
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he didn’t you know he just repeated what he heard so I think mercury is to do with rote learning um you know uh you
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know a teacher holds up the letter t you know what does the sound make t that’s wrote learning but Jupiter learning is
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taking those sounds to form words to form the blends of different sounds like
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the th sound in English for example um to form sentences to form paragraphs to form essays the Jupiter it takes that
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those little bits of information and expands it and and and and it makes it into something really magnificent
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people’s accents is quite interesting people say to me because I’m I was born in America you know you don’t sound
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British well my Mercury is in a fixed nine, you know, so it’s my accent isn’t
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going to change because I learned those sounds when I was young, uh, and, you know, they just stayed with me. Whereas,
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I think someone with a mutable Mercury, their accents might be a little bit more changeable. But I’m talking about those
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little small little words, the little movements that we make with our our tongue and our jaw to form the sounds
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that we make to speak. How interesting. I have Mercury and Jupiter in Aquarius.
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So maybe my accent will never change. I don’t think so. Not in a fixed side.
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Let’s see. So, Alex, going back to the challenges you faced, um, what is one
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fear or limiting belief you’ve had to overcome as an astrologer in the public
People think I’m a Fortune Teller
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eye? Well, as I said, you know, I I find it really difficult to cope with when
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people um make assumptions. They think that I’m a fortune teller. That that’s
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frustrating. Um you know, I I I hear like really stupid comments that people make. Well, you should have seen that
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coming. You’re an astrologer. It’s like, well, that’s not how it works, you know. Um so, that’s frustrating. Um and just
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the general prejudice. Every nearly every astrologer I’ve ever known is a total book hoarder. You know,
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they read everything and they’re highly educated usually and um you know, they’re curious about the world and and
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you know, there there is something about an astrologer because they’ve overcome all that prejudice because they’re
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naturally curious that I think that they are they tend to be really intelligent people and they’re invested in their
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education as well. You know, they’re they’re high up. Um, you know, case in point, Nick Campion, Dr. Nick Campion,
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you know, one of the probably one of the most gifted historians we have, you know, um, you know, he knows his stuff.
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Patrick Patrick Curry, our late great um, Jeffrey Cornelius, you know, all these people are really highly educated.
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Yeah. And I was impressed also talking about about education and and the amount of research you’ve done. I mean, when I
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saw your work, I’m like, she’s an academic astrologer. I mean there’s no other way to put it because you’ve done your research, you’ve compared, you you
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actually work with the kids, you you watch them every day. So I mean I think
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this is, you know, sometimes what people don’t understand that astrology goes beyond the the the crystal ball, you
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know, and and that prejudice as you said. So So tell us more a little bit about I mean you’re traveling, you’re
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teaching, you’re a mom, you’re a wife. Um, how do you stay grounded and energized behind the scenes? Because I
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mean there is a lot going on, I guess. How does your agenda look today?
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I’m not a wife. Ah, okay. I’ll edit that part. Yeah. Oh, no. It’s okay. It’s
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okay. Let me know. Let everyone know I’m single.
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So, you know, how do I fit it in? I mean um I once heard an interview with Barbara Streand and the interviewer said
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you know how do you hold a note for so long and her answer was because I want
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to and I think that’s the answer I have when someone says how do you manage so much well I am one of the most
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timeefficient people I mean I know exactly what I need to do I have set little goals for myself um but I’m just
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time efficient and um and I think I can make things look a lot easier than what
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they are cuz people will say to me, “Oh, you’re so lucky.” It’s like, “Lucky? Are you kidding? Do you know how hard I
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work?” Uh, you know, so that that’s that’s another thing that really irritates me. People think that things just fall into my lap. But when
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actually, you know, I put a lot of effort into making some of these things happen. Um, yeah. So, you know, I think
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those were those are my challenges, but because I understand myself, you know, I I know exactly what I need to do. I
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don’t have any planets in Earth. So, yep. I have to make lists. I have to set
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myself time goals and I just have to get cracking down with some. So you talk about um the Jupiter Saturn
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cycle which is very important. How how how is how has it been for yourself to
The Jupiter-Saturn Cycle
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to work with that cycle? What what are the major challenges? I don’t know where they are but maybe you want to share
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that. I don’t know. So um I just had my second Saturn and return the first hit. That’s true. So my my I think your first
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set in return is always quite challenging because it’s your first set in return. Well, this time I saw it
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coming and so I knew that it was you know I knew it was going to have it in May and um you know so the Steve Judy
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event course happened in May. Then I went to Portugal and I had my I don’t know if you saw on on social media but I
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had the Saturn cake and I made I made everybody sing to me because I wanted it
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to be a celebration. You know it’s not just about getting old. It’s about really looking back on your accomplishments, which is what, you
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know, this summer for me is about looking back um and saying, you know, I’m a truck driver’s daughter, you know,
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who expected me to do all these things and then, you know, looking ahead, you know, to the future, which, you know,
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none of us are guaranteed a long future, but it’s being proud and pleased with what you’ve done with your life. Um that
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that I wanted to have out of my Saturn return. And I think it’s better the second Saturn return. And the first
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Saturn return is a bit of a challenge. That’s really cool. And I understand from previous interviews because I
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watched you. You have Jupiter in Cancer. I do it exalted degree
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and now Jupiter is entering Cancer. You had your Saturn return. How do you feel
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about this? So, um I I um fixed it so that my next
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Jupiter return, which is in August, coincides with my um uh release of my
Alex Trenoweth’s New Book: “Zeus on the Loose”
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book um Zeus on the Loose, which is going to happen at Water St. which is um a main book seller. And it’s unheard of
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for an astrology book to be launched at a major book seller. Usually it’s at Watkins or um Treadwells or maybe the
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astrology shop, you know, a specialized esoteric shop, but Water St. is is the
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big one. So, I’m hoping that um this will open the door for more really
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quality astrology because the books in in Water St. are not very good. You
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know, they’re um the astrology books are not very good. there more for, you know, sun signs.
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Yeah. And I’ve got to apologize. My green screen’s playing up a bit back here. Oh, don’t worry. I can go. The wind is the wind is blowing. I didn’t
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even notice. No, it’s okay. Don’t worry. Okay. Okay. So, that’s funny. The water stones, you know, because Jupiter and
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Cancer like water and then Saturn returns stones and I was like, what’s going on?
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Okay. So, Alex, did you ever doubted astrology at some point? Like you said, okay, you know what? This stuff is not
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working. What What kept you going? Was there a moment where I don’t get fed up
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with astrology. I occasionally get fed up with astrologers. Uhhuh. Um, you know, I I I get kind of
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get tired of the ego and and the the compet the competition that goes on between astrologers and and I think a
Alex’s advice to other Astrologers
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lot of astrologers struggle to find their niche, you know, what they’re good at. And whereas I was always I always
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knew what my niche was because I had Jupiter. I knew that as long as I stayed with children and families with my
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Jupiter the way that it is that I would be okay as an astrologer. And in fact, I would tell astrologers, you know, hey,
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look at your Jupiter sign to work out, you know, where your teaching is, where where where you contribute uh to the
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astrology world instead of, you know, trying to compete with other people. Um
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it was it was pretty clear for you because you had that strength already of being in the system education system.
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Okay, that’s great. So um do you think that astrology can be used ethically in
Astrologyās Place in Modern Education
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educational settings and what are the boundaries or or gu guidelines you would
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suggest? It’s a that’s a really good question and something that you know um I’ll try to um answer answer fully.
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First of all, I mean, as I said, you know, as an astrologer, it isn’t my place to judge somebody based on their
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Jupiter sign or on their chart. My job is as an educator, and my job is to hold doors open and to make sure my students
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are safe. So, that’s where my boundaries are, you know, first an educator and my
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job is not to change a child’s personality. Like I said, that’s the parents job. Um, but you know, I I need
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to make sure that I understand how my children learn. Jupiter helps me, but it doesn’t dictate to me. Mhm. Um, now I
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have met astrologers who have said to me, um, I I can read a child’s chart
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because, you know, I’m this wonderful astrologer and I always bring it back to this thing about child protection.
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To work with children in a classroom, I have to have police clearance.
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I have to have the the right amount of experience. And every single teacher is
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trained in child protection, what to do, you know, um, if a child um, discloses
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something to you. Whereas astrologers, most astrologers do not have that training. And so, you know, I I think
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it’s not so much about being worried about what an astrology group can do ethically with astrology and education.
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It’s the other way around what astrologers can do in regards to working with children. So, if you’re an
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astrologer and you’re listening to me and you’re reading children’s charts, you really need to stop and, you know,
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do some child safeguarding training. Um, at least get some police protection and
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never ever under any circumstances. Allow yourself to be onetoone alone with
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the child. Always have the parents there. And um you’re absolutely correct. They won’t disclose to you. You don’t
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want them to disclose to you. Um because what are you going to do if you have a self farmer in front of you? Really,
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you’re not trained to deal with them. What are you going to do? A teacher will know what to do. Um you know, astrologer
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won’t um what are you going to do if you got a a 14-year-old girl who’s pregnant?
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And then what if she’s pregnant by her older brother? These things happen. And
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you know, what is an astrologer going to do? you know, um you because like I say,
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they’re not trained. Um and and like and as I said, these things happen, unfortunately, quite regularly in a in
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the school system. So, they’re not like isolated cases. Nobody comes to an astrologer because everything is all
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wonderful. They come to you because they have a problem and they need help resolving that problem. Um, and you
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know, I I always say too, you know, let’s say this child, this 14-year-old
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child who’s pregnant by her older brother begs you not to tell anybody and you as an astrologer feel that you are
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bound by confidentiality because most astrologers, you know, have a confidentiality agreement and you feel
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bound by that and you promise confidentiality. Well, then it all blows up because of course a pregnancy is
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going to continue or not, but someone’s going to find out about it and the astrologer who heard that um disclosure
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is going to be held responsible for the results. Now, if the parent is there in
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the consultation, which is what I say should always happen, the parent is responsible. But even in that case, the
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astrologer still has to decide whether or not that parent is competent enough to handle that problem. And this is
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where schools are are very beneficial. So a teacher could listen to that
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problem, assure the child and the parent that that something will be done and they could take that problem and hand it
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to the proper people who can deal with it appropriately. It’s not about passing
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on a problem. It’s about making sure that the right person is dealing with it, that the astrologer isn’t taking it
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on on board themselves because that’s absolutely the incorrect incorrect thing to do. They have to they have to be able
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to know what to do um and not just keep that keep secrets. Wow. So interesting. Yeah. So in your
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ideal world vision, how how would you teach others, you know, to implement
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astrology in educating their children or at schools? Do you have a a vision about it? Actually, I wanted to ask you about
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your school because I understand you have an astrology school which focuses
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on looking at the charts of children ethically. So, please Alex, tell us more about this now that we’re talking about.
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Sure. So I mean um I do think that astrology has a very powerful role in education and in raising children but it
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does have to be done properly and it it has to be done you know within the child safeguarding and child protection
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guidelines. So what I do is basically I take astrologers through the the child
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safeguarding procedures hopefully alarm them well enough that they understand
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okay I can’t see children onetoone um and they know that okay if I’m going to work with children’s charts I need
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police protection I need to be sorry not police protection but police um clearance um because teachers have to
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prove that they haven’t committed any crime um and so astrologers they’re going to work work with children start
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they need to do the same thing. Um and also you know looking at Jupiter and Saturn and maybe a little bit of Uranus
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only leaving the inner planets to the parents um you know the personality I I
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may mention to a parent you know each child has you know moon and Virgo just as a point of interest but I’m not going
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to assign like a future career to them any more than I would do the same thing with Jupiter and Virgo either. I
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wouldn’t say oh your child’s going to be a great doctor you know I wouldn’t do that. So we have to be very careful that
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we don’t create um um helicopter parenting. Oh, what do you mean by that?
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Sorry. So it’s when um they also call it tiger parenting is when you know you say
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something like you know uh oh your child is very good at analyzing this that or the other thing. They might be
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interested in medicine but all the parent hears is doctor doctor. So they start forcing the child to do like
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premed advanced premed classes, you know, make them do their homework, you know, eight hours, you know, as soon as
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they come home from school. They got music lessons, you know, French lessons, Japanese lessons, you know, got all
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these different lessons and extracurricular activities because they think their do their child’s going to be a doctor and needs these extracurricular
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things to do. So, you know, I’m I’m also about live and let live. You know, let a child explore. you know, you can explore
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aimlessly and still get a lot out of that exploration. So interesting. You also mentioned that
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you all would look at Uranus a little bit. Why? Just give us a hint because I
The Role of Uranus in Education
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know maybe in your book you cover that topic. I’m not sure. Sure. So when you have your first Jupiter return at around
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the age of 11 to 12, 11 years, eight and nine months is the average. Um so after
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that point about two years later um Jupiter keeps going around the zodiac
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it’ll reach uh transiting Jupiter sexile its natal position at the same time that
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Uranus will have its first sexile to its natal position and it’s the first tameic
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aspect from an outer planet at the same time. So you put those key words together,
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Jupiter big expansive and Uranus rebellion, you get the words big
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rebellion and that happens around the age of 13. And I know from you know um other
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research that I’ve done that the age of 13 is the year group no teacher wants to teach because children are very very
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difficult at that age. They are stop they stop listening to their parents and teachers and start listening to their
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peers. So the other thing I tell parents is you know ex you know have that talk
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about um you know sex and your expectations around family guidelines
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before they turn 13 because it’s better that they hear from you than they hear
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misinformation from their friends. Um you know so I think it’s really important that parents set those
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boundaries and build are able to build trust. Keep those lines of communication open. Um build trust. um grant
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privileges when the trust has been built because, you know, children of that age
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really want to have their independence, but they’re still dependent on their parents for money, for emotional
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guidance, for the roof over their head. You know, they’re not ready for independence yet. So, you know, um you
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know, don’t let your children uh just grow out of it. They still need your support. Even though that separation is
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a natural part of growing up, children still need you. And and I I I will call
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children children until they are 18. I don’t care
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if they’re 17 years, 364 days. In my head, you’re still a child and they’re a child by law. And I’ve heard all the
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arguments. Oh, this is a really mature 16year-old or, you know, this person
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goes on tours all over the place and they do this, that, and the other. No, sorry. they’re still a child. If they go
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into a pub and they try to order a drink and they get served and they’re not 18, they’ve broken the law or the sorry the
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um landlord has broken the law. So, it’s the same thing in astrology. An adult is an adult. 18 is 18.
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Okay. Interesting. I you were also saying in one of your interviews because I there were two things that stuck in my
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head from one of your interviews is to talk to your children about money. Yeah,
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that’s very important. Can you elaborate on that because I really like what you mentioned but I can’t remember by heart exactly?
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Well, I mean, I think that um you know, parents don’t talk about money, you know. Um we try to keep it
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from our children, you know, how much electricity is, how much we don’t talk about our salaries in general. I mean,
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we don’t talk about, you know, income or, you know, but but yet children are sensitive. They pick up on your
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financial anxiety. You know, why can’t you have those expensive pair of trainers? All my friends have them.
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Well, actually they don’t all have them. And you know, um if you want to earn your trainers, this is the amount of
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money you need to earn in order to have these trainers, you know. So I I think
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what parents um I I don’t like to use the word should, but you know what my
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ideal suggest scenario would be is that you know, let them know how much that
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costs in the real world. You know, let them know that sometimes there is a choice between paying the electricity
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bill or buying a new pair of trainers. and you know which are you going to do and you know what skills. So I think
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talking about money is is equally important. Interesting. Thank you. Is
Key Transits on Alex Trenowethās Radar
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there any current transit personal or not that you find either encouraging or
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intimidating and why? Well, currently I have transiting Jupiter on my natal Venus in Gemini. And
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so I’ve just been like really like I’ve had so many interviews and um my book is coming out and um just let me Zeus on
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the loose. Yeah, tell us more about it if you if you want. Transiting uh Jupiter on my natal Venus and Zeus on
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the loose has been my baby for the past 12 years. 12 years. It’s been in my head
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but you know actually I actually u physically wrote it in about a month but
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like I say it’s because I had the title already in my head. I had you know the layout in my head. It was just a matter
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of sitting down and getting it done. So, like I said before, you know, I understand what I need to do. It’s just
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a matter of getting it getting it done. So, I really did teach all day, come
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home, write my 2,000 words for a month to finish the first draft to get to I
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got to 75,000 words. Um, cut down a little bit from there. But that’s how I approach this book. Get it written down.
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Stop messing around. And um so that’s your creative process because I wanted to ask you then about you know your
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creative process is just like sit and do it. I can be a bit obsessed. Yeah. I
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have I have Neptune in Scorpio in the sixth house and and I can be really
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really driven to the point that you know I if I’m writing on a Saturday I can sit
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down with a cup of tea and pick up my cup of tea four hours later and it’s cold realize half the day has gone by. I
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haven’t even eaten breakfast. So that that’s the kind of thing I can get into. So the other thing that I have is I have
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of course a timer um um that will go off um a good writing sessions for me I
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think it’s two hours and I try to get 2,000 words done in two hours. Maybe I might need a bit more time but I try not
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to because I can lose track of time. I I I try not to let that happen. Wow. So
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you’re making a very good use of that Neptune in the sixth house because you know I listen to many astrologers and
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some of them you know they always paint Neptune like as the bad guy like lazy
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confusion blah blah blah. So when I hear this is very inspiring because actually you know see what you can accomplish
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with that. Yeah. I mean you know there might be other things in my chart that drive me. I have Venus square Saturn. Um you know
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you can never love me enough. I can never do enough. I have Mars square Saturn as well. You can never love me
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enough. I can never do enough. So, I have that driving me too, driving me crazy. But,
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but I think my Neptune I think because I understand my Neptune. Um, probably
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probably a little ADHD involved in there in in the focus thing. Um, but um, you know, I understand what I need to do and
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how how I like to work and and what works for me. I could tell you what doesn’t work for me is is um working in
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short spurts. No, really. 15 minutes. 15 minutes. Have a break. that will not work cuz in 15 minutes oh I’ll be
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playing games I’ll be you know looking at YouTube I’ll be distracted I won’t
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get it done but if you give me that two hours I can get things a lot done in a few hours interesting so you know coming
Alex Trenowethās loving words of Guidance
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back to the personal kind of story if you could give one piece of advice to
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your younger astrologer self what would it be
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I I I’m really pleased with I always say
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to people, you know, be the kind of person that your younger self would admire. And you know, I hate to, you
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know, I don’t want to sound like I’m boasting, but I am the kind of person I think my younger self would admire. Wow.
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I think, you know, I’ve read a lot. I’ve done a lot. I’ve traveled a lot. I have, you know, many friends from many
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different walks of life. You know, you know, I think that I have achieved that. Um, you know, I have three brilliant
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children or 50,000 if you count my students that I’m, you know, proud of in so many different ways, you know. So, I
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think that my advice is be the person that your younger younger self would have admired. Amazing. Amazing. And
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lastly, I I think um I just wanted to ask you, I mean, I think it’s pretty obvious for you, but many but probably
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for many is not. If you’ve seen astrology improve teacher student relationships
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or classroom dynamics, could you tell us I mean if it really has improved?
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um teacher student relationships or yeah I think um I I think that um
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you know there was there’s an expression a happy teacher changes the world and I think more should be done to make
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teachers happy and I see so much on um social media that that parents are
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blaming teachers you know for all the problems in the world and it’s like you don’t have you don’t have any idea what
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teachers do for you you know it’s not just free babysitting you know the things that we do for our children and
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you know the you know we don’t see our children as just being these I don’t
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know inanimate objects we you know we love our children uh with boundaries of course but you know there is so much
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that we do for our children and I love it when parents say to me um I pay taxes
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therefore I pay your salary because I love it I’ll I’ll clap back with yeah I’m a taxpayer too where are my extra
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teaching assistants for all these children with individual education plans. Okay. Um where are my toilet
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breaks? Um you know, all these children want to go to the toilet whenever they feel like it. Where are my toilet
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breaks? You know, if I I can only go to the L at break and lunchtime, you know what, you know, where’s my extra pair of
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hands that will help me when I have all this marking to do, you know? So, I’m a taxpayer, too. Uh but you know I I
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really think and I’m hoping um that with Jupiter in cancer that teachers and
The Role of Teachers Under Jupiter in Cancer
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nurses and anybody in a female dominated profession can start to realize hey you
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know why are they paying a football player a male football player all this
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money for kicking a ball from one end of the field to another but you know somebody who is teaching your child you
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know six seven hours a day um you know giving them all all their all this
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effort and all on and all this hard work or the woman who is, you know, wiping
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your mother’s backside because she’s sick in hospital and you don’t want to do that. You know, why are they why are
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they treating why are these women being treated so badly, being paid poorly, being looked down upon and everyone
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thinks, “Oh, they’re women. They’re naturally good at it.” You know, that drives me crazy. So, I’m hoping that, you know, the more we talk about equity,
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the more we can make an improvement for uh nurses and teachers to actually drive
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society. Wow. Amazing, Alex. And touching on on that point, is there anything now that
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we are here, we have a a few minutes, is there any advice or anything you want
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parents to know about your work as a teacher, you know, besides what you already said? Um I think you know just
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for them to listen because I think there is so much to unpack and as you said there is so much they don’t know and
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maybe you want to give a message you know about astrology empowering you know uh them as parents. So whatever comes to
Great Advice for Parents
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your mind and whatever you want to share please just you know I would advise parents um I mean it sound like I’m
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selling my book and I am a bit but you understand the child’s Jupiter sign because that is how the child learns and
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the age of 12 the Jupiter return around the age of 11 or 12 is the most important year of a child’s life and of
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course I’m not saying you know if you got a 12y old child and a eight-year-old child ignore the eight-year-old I’m not
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saying that at But I am saying, you know, when that child turns 12, it’s a great time to take that big family
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holiday to go abroad, to learn a new language as a family, to maybe, I don’t
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know, study a new skill. And for parents, too, just because you’re no longer in school doesn’t mean the
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learning stops. You’re on a you continue to be on a 12-ear cycle as well. If you
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have a Jupiter return coming up, if you’re 3, 36, 48, 24, 60, or whatever,
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start something. start something new, start a new cycle, start a new, you know, some sort of new course. Um,
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Jupiter cycles actually um um have a significant transit every three years.
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So, you could break it down even more. But Zeus on the loose breaks it down even further than that. And it gives
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ideas for every single year of your life if you know your Jupiter sign. And there’s no excuse not to know your
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Jupiter sign because I have the ingresses at the back. Oh, and all you got to do information there. So, all you
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got to do is look up your Jupiter signs. Um, and then I have um case studies in here to show you, you know, here’s a
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famous person. I’m looking at their transits. I’m not going into their psychology. I’m just telling you the things that they’ve done with their life
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that could be either good um, you know, success or where they’ve overused their
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Jupiter because Jupiter isn’t always the good guy. Right. Right. Um, you know, Jupiter can, you know, be overzealous,
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indulgence, and indulging. Um Jupiter is also significant when a person dies
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because death is the ultimate adventure. It’s taking a life and going from this
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earthly plane into the spiritual realm. So you know Jupiter isn’t always you know um we call it the great benefit but
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it it it can be you know something that we need to re it in u you know pull back
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on our habits and um uh come to grips having a little bit more self-discipline.
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So in the first book you introduces introduced us to the the cycle basically
How Alex can help You?
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the growing pains right this is the the book and in this second book go ahead I
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focus on yeah sorry I focused more on adolescence and growing pains because at the time I was only teaching um sorry I
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shouldn’t say only because I was teaching adolescence though no it’s not an only there I was teaching adolescence
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and um I was frustrated because you know a lot of people have that idea of
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they’re teenagers, they’ll grow out of it and therefore letting the kids get on into whatever they want to get into
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without having um you know more firm guidelines. Um and then Zeus on the
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Loose is more written. I mean it’s directed at parents to help their children learn but it’s opening up to
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the whole entire life cycle. Alex. And lastly, because people may be wondering, do you do readings for
51:20
parents about their children or what what are you up to? You know, besides the teaching and the academic astrology
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work and your books, um, how can you help us? I mean, you have your school,
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what else do you do? How can we reach out to you? So, um, the way I work with I work with families. I do family
51:38
consultations. So, a parent will occasionally, um, say to me, “Oh, I got a 13-year-old child. they’re making my
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head hurt. Um, can you do a reading for for them? And it’s like, uh, I’ll do a reading for you as well.
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So, I bring the whole family in because I think it’s important that you have the whole picture, you know. Um, what kind
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of, um, relationship do the parents have? There are many different types of families. you know, there’s you you can
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adopt a child. There’s stepchildren, there’s, you know, multi, you know, layered families, there’s um single
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mothers, there’s single fathers, there’s all sorts of different kinds of family. So, my first question is going to be, what kind of family am I working with?
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You know, where is the birth placement? Am I working the majority of people who come to me are first-time parents of
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13-year-olds? Um, I keep track of these kind of things. So, they they want to know, you
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know, you know, what do I do with my 13-year-old? They’re they’re off the rails. I don’t know what to do. And of course, the answer is grab a hold of
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your Saturn and start making some rules. Um, so I want to look at the whole entire
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family so I can see where that that that difficult um child as the parents label
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them. I wouldn’t call them a difficult child. I would say the situation as a whole is difficult, but where those
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difficulties are and what can be done. So I’m not just looking at one person as a problem. I’m looking at the whole
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entire family as a solution and you know how the whole family can work together.
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Wow. And lastly, Alex, tell us more. Why celebrities? Why royale? What I mean
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because you were talking children, but suddenly you have this other amazing book about you know movies and
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celebrities and it’s the astrology of famous people and the actors who portray
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them and I find it fascinating. I don’t know why I don’t follow celebrity but I like I was like thrilled to to see all
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these cases and my mind was like of course. So tell us more why why celebrities royalty.
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Well I mean I think after I wrote Growing Pains I just wanted to kind of I called I call I was calling Mirror
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Mirror my my pallet cleanser. I just needed to have a little bit of a step
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away from um um astrology and education because also the pandemic um it’s my
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pandemic baby as well and so I wasn’t teaching and so I thought okay well I
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been collecting case studies you know the sinistry between um famous people
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and the actors who portrayed them and the transit of when the movie was released. I had a few of these case
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studies together, maybe 20. Um, and I just thought, okay, well, during the pandemic, I’m going to finish this book.
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And so I started off, um, I had nearly 200 case studies, 200 biopics, um, about
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real life people. And we, me and my publisher paired it down to just over a hundred. And, um, like I say, it was my
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pandemic baby. It just helped me um, it kept my mind occupied while I wasn’t teaching. It’s amazing. And also you I
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mean in the conference you talk about the royal family and al go I mean it’s like you’re a we say in Spanish you are
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a box full of different chocolates or something. I don’t know what the say in English is but you know so I I’m really
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happy that that you know we had this opportunity to chat. Alex tell us more about what do you have coming besides
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your book? uh any classes, conferences, talks, uh what what’s up with you so
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people can, you know, uh follow you on Instagram and see where you’re going to be or just tell us a little bit more.
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Okay, so um I just got um an invitation to speak in South Africa um but online.
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I don’t I I might go down to South Africa. We’ll see. Um because it’s my it’s my Saturn return. So I’m thinking
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for my 60th birthday, I might do a little tour around the world. But we’ll see. We I’m still working on that. I’m
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going to um I speak at a few local British um astrology local groups. Um I
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am going to speak online for the Brighton astrology group. Um two weeks
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from today actually I’ll be speaking about Zeus on the loose. Um my book launch is the 13th of August. I’ll be
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starting my new classes. Um my school is called Rohini Academy of Astrology.
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looking learn learn learning how to read children’s charts ethically and looking at child safeguarding and child protection
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guidelines. So what I do is basically I take astrologers through the the child
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safeguarding procedures hopefully alarm them well enough that they understand
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okay I can’t see children onetoone um and they know that okay if I’m going to work with children’s charts I need
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police protection I need to be sorry not police protection but police um clearance um because teachers have to
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prove that they haven’t committed any crime um and so astrologers they’re going to work work with children start
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they need to do the same thing. Um and also you know looking at Jupiter and Saturn and maybe a little bit of Uranus
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only leaving the inner planets to the parents um you know the personality I I
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may mention to a parent you know each child has you know moon and Virgo just as a point of interest but I’m not going
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to assign like a future career to them any more than I would do the same thing with Jupiter and Virgo either. I
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wouldn’t say oh your child’s going to be a great doctor you know I wouldn’t do that. So we have to be very careful that
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we don’t create um um helicopter parenting.
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it’s been really a pleasure. Thank you so much for being here and for, you know, you know, being the experiment in
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this new podcast. So, hope to see you soon. Good luck.
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Have a great solar return and and you know, let’s keep in touch. Thank you
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very much. Thank you.
